Letter to the Editor: Don’t Be Fooled Twice

By Diana Thorn | Published on 08.14.2012 3:42 p.m.

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This November’s election is the most important one in our lifetime. According to Aaron Klein and Brenda Elliott in Fool Me Twice, re-electing President Barack Obama would mean a continuation of “relentless expansion of federal government power, more explosive increases in his crushing multitrillion-dollar intergenerational debt, a weak foreign policy coupled with his evisceration of America’s military, and the likelihood that more Obama-appointed Supreme Court justices would ensure a left-leaning majority on America’s top court for at least a generation.”

Furthermore, the authors say that as bad as this sounds, they do not encompass what is really at stake for America in 2012: “Simply stated, the risk is the progressive socialist take over of our country, the fundamental transformation of the United States of America.”

The 2012 election will be the last chance to save liberty, as defined since 1776.

In Fool Me Twice, a possible progressive socialist agenda of a second-term Obama is revealed. Included are:

» 1) Single-payer health-care legislation controlled by the federal government.

» 2) Gutting the military, and using resulting savings for a green stimulus program and the founding of a federal “green bank.”

» 3) Using the U.S. military to combat “global” warming, fight global poverty, remedy “injustices,” bolster the United Nations and be used for peacekeeper deployments.

» 4) Expansion of a new amnesty program for illegal aliens, reduction of our border patrol and increase of new immigrants by removing caps on H-ID visas and green cards.

» 5) Re-creation of FDR’s Works Progress Administration Program within the Department of Labor that would create a massive new bureaucracy and new federal jobs.

In short, each of these plans seeks to permanently remake America into a government-dominated socialist state. America, is this what you want? If not, in November vote for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, and anyone else running against the Obama agenda.

Diana Thorn
Carpinteria

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» Wally Moon on 08.14.12 @ 04:12 PM

OMG, is this woman serious?
Does she actually believe all this?

Honest debate and disagreement about issues is great. People don’t need to see eye to eye on candidates but to label different policies as a ‘socialist agenda” and to toss out such unsubstantiated claptrap is counter productive, untruthful, delusional!

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» watergrl on 08.14.12 @ 04:39 PM

goodness gracious Diana!
that agenda you are suggesting is a BAD one sounds like PROGRESS in the right direction for most of the working people in this nation.

Perhaps fear of a powerful middleclass is the real motivator? Have we all (in the middleclass) not suffered sufficiently at the hands of the corporatocracy ? Any of the antics of Halliburton and Chaney and his gang ringing any bells as the driving force behind the recent oil wars the little guys have paid so dearly for ?

Hard to believe a thinking person would fall for this “red-scare’ rhetoric in this day and age - seeking a government that supports the needs of the middleclass seems wise for those in these hard times -

just my 2 cents -

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» Lived here awhile on 08.14.12 @ 04:53 PM

I’ll have some of what Diana’s having.

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» AN50 on 08.14.12 @ 04:55 PM

Moonie, you may be right. But really, do you actually know what socialism is? Many on the left are terrified of this term because they think it means communism where the state owns and controls the economy, meaning no private property at all and they don’t want that label no matter how much they agree with it. Socialism is the baby step to communism. The state does not own the economy but controls it instead. Meaning you get to keep your house, but the state tells you what you can do with it. You can buy a car but the state tells you where, when and how you can use it. Same with your coffee maker, shoes toilet paper, etc… Gee come to think of it what good does it do to own anything you have no control over? I thought control was the whole purpose of ownership.

We are half way there already so Diana isn’t far off. Where she gets confused is the whole new world order thing dreamed up by our European oligarchs, where the UN runs the show rather than any one powerful nation like the US. Those Europeans really don’t like us calling the shots and they really like our apologist in chief bowing and groveling for all our perceived past sins. “Perfect, now just abdicate your sovereignty to the UN and then we oligarchs call the shots!”

Ok, I don’t buy it either. But Obama probably does which scares me and Diana. This guy really believes in this one world crap and a giant all encompassing elite smarty pants run nanny government to control all the worlds idiots or who they think are idiots which is basically anyone who doesn’t think like them. Get the picture? I mean really look at this guy’s mentors, a bunch of dope smoking commie, pinko, oh wait a minute, those were your mentors too, huh?

Alright, nuff fun for tonight, cheers!

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» citygal on 08.14.12 @ 06:52 PM

I’m just making a guess here but, Diana, is J. Edgar Hoover your hero? Can’t believe you honestly believe this paranoid, misguided, misinformed, misaligned rhetoric.

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» Rambler on 08.15.12 @ 07:09 AM

Obama’s policies are pretty moderate, and not socialistic. As pointed out by many analysts, they are echos of Nixon, Reagan, and Clinton. Hell, even his health care plan, or “Obamacare”, was first proposed by a right-wing think tank in 1992.

No, what really scares Diana and the Bishop aren’t his policies. What scares them is the fact that he’s a black man. White hate distorts their vision.

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» thethorn on 08.15.12 @ 08:05 AM

Reply:
I wrote this article because I am afraid of what Pres. Obama and all his socialist
friends can + will possibly do. This includes all his czars + close advisors. The
authors mentioned have documented everything in their book. By the way my
heroes are the Founding Fathers. I wonder if any of the above doubters have
read anything about socialism or the backgrounds of people in the present
administration. There is a new book out about Frank Marshall Davis, Obama’s
mentor, that is very enlightening. The facts in that book are backed up by FBI
files. Everyone should remember that the German people put their heads in the
sand, and look what happened. Get informed.

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» AN50 on 08.15.12 @ 08:20 AM

Citygal and watergrl, girly girls all! Where Diana gets this stuff is she has been around a lot longer than you two. So she has seen totalitarianism in action, the results of fascism and what happens when a war weary population just decides its had enough and lets the oligarchy run the show for a while. It’s not paranoia its caution. After all Chamberlain was the rational one and Churchill a paranoid, but Churchill was right and Chamberlain was wrong, deadly wrong.

History is an open book. Read it, study it and learn its lessons. Those who seek to control and amass power count on your ignorance. And it always starts out in benign ways, “for your own good”.

Also it would be advised to actually look at what our fearless leader really believes. I fear the oligarchs and power hungry far less than some young, intense, inexperienced “true believer”. Its not that Obama is a bad guy, his idealism and his sincerity are infectious, its that it hasn’t been tempered by time and experience, his beliefs are radical but he ignores the lessons history have taught us about those beliefs.

So Diana sings a cautionary tale, one that comes from wisdom hammered out of a life’s experience and presents it to a nanny coddled naïve and largely ignorant culture, happy and content and ready to throw it all away not ever knowing what it had and chooses to lose. Not saying you libs are they but your comments come close.

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» Rambler on 08.15.12 @ 08:42 AM

I doubt you, Diana. I doubt you’ve read much beyond some L. Ron Hubbard novels “+” whatever John Birch Society newsletters you receive.

Obama seems to have had so many mentors that frighten you. Amazing. And he’s eviscerated the military? I bet Osama bin Laden wishes you were right.

Now he looks to you like Hitler? Poor woman, get help.

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» Rambler on 08.15.12 @ 08:51 AM

So, Bishop ANchove, is he Hitler or is he Chamberlain? Can you and Diana (same person?) decide? Maybe he’s Idi Amin!

What you call “...wisdom hammered out of a life’s experience…” just sounds like someone who was hammered out of her skull a little too often. Like you.

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» gramps on 08.15.12 @ 09:19 AM

If you analyze Romney and Ryan’s proposed policies you can see that they are ideological radicals who would lead us in the wrong direction. They only understand and represent the myopic interests of the superrich. President Obama understands and represents the common interests of all Americans. Re-elect Obama.

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» thethorn on 08.15.12 @ 09:21 AM

Thanks AN50 for some common sense. As for Rambler, how dare you call me
a racist. You are the bigot. Also, you are very naive or misinformed if you
think Obama comes from a moderate background. Read about his history
with Frank Marshall Davis, his friends in Chicago and google the background
of people in his administration. He is letting everyone else do his dirty work.
I want our country to remain free, with a capitalistic economy and individual
rights. Do you want the same?

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» sb native on 08.15.12 @ 09:22 AM

Well, Diana hasn’t been around longer than I have…we are of an age. She has NO IDEA what totalitarianism is or socialism or Marxism. President Obama is no more a socialist than he is a Marxist. What we DO have to fear is fascism, however, under the guise of extreme right wing GOP politics. Fascism is the alliance of business and the military and the politicians…any chance that seems recognizable to anyone?

Obama and the Democrats are moving in Progressive directions…although way too slowly.

That “climate change” boogie man that Diana alludes to is REAL and all of us with children and grandchildren had better start understanding it and its implications NOW!

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» socaljay on 08.15.12 @ 10:02 AM

Oh, come on gramps! You and Rambler must be hanging out at the same tea house. He cares about the common interests of all Americans? How can you say that when almost every decision this administration makes either violates the Constitution or the law. They routinely sidestep Congress because our representatives don’t agree with his policies. The Democrat Senate hasn’t passed a budget in over 1200 days. And you can sit there and state that he cares about you?

Have either of you ever read the works of Frank Marshal Davis or Bill Ayers? Have you read Prairie Fire or the Weather Underground Manifesto? If you have and agree with it, you are part of the problem, not the solution. More than that, you are not in truth American-minded citizens. The collective works of Frank and Bill are the truly radical words of committed Marxists who would put us all in chains.

Our current president has openly described what his fundamental transformation means for America. Can you tell me why the Administration needs a civilian security force to rival our military? Who is the enemy? Do you really want more ATF, more DEA, more FBI, more IRS, more EPA, more Secret Service, more TSA, all armed and all ultimately reporting to one person, not Congress? Do you agree with the ATF changing its name to the Violent Crime Bureau? Don’t we already have an FBI? Why do we need another police agency versus a regulatory agency? I bet you agree with the formation of the TSA as well, don’t you?

Did you know that there is a section in the 2,600 page Affordable Care Act that authorizes military troops for the Surgeon General? And those military commanders are appointed by the president versus the normal approval by Congress? Why would that clause be in a health bill, and why would they bypass Congress? Those are two very simple questions about just one thing this administration has already done. And you want four more years of the same mentality? Good grief!

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» Rambler on 08.15.12 @ 11:31 AM

President Obama is not Saul Alinsky, Frank Davis, or any of the other bogey men your teabagger researchers have uncovered. The EPA is not an armed force (idiot). The ATF is going to change its name? BFD. What next, the black helicopters?

If any of you (Bishop, Thorn, or Jay) had spent half as much time and effort on getting a college education as you have trying to dig up dirt on your black president, you may have turned out okay. Like fools, you chase red herrings and attack straw men.

Build your bomb shelters, buy your ammo, stock up on your favorite instant pudding, and close the door. You are a drain on society.

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» AN50 on 08.15.12 @ 12:40 PM

Ramjet if you had half a brain you would realize he doesn’t look like Hitler to us. No, he looks like your typical UN style three piece suit. You on the other hand wear your bland grey politburo style suit expressing that delightful classless proletariat look you closet commies so desire.

By the way your soviet style double speak defining “disagreement” as “hate” or “racism” is classic. You see girls another proud graduate of the Saul Alinsky school of lies and spin. Wanna see how bad one of these proud propagandists contorts and squirms; see how they treat a black man who dares to be conservative. Wow, what a spectacle that is.

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» AN50 on 08.15.12 @ 12:48 PM

Of course Obama isn’t Saul Alinsky you moron, he just learned from him as you did. And here we go again with using vile and disgusting language, against this rags stated policy, just because you are pissed and can’t argue a point.

See girls they don’t teach that in the Alinsky school. Just repeat the same lie over and over until people believe it and if anyone calls you on it, call them names, spew venom and hatred and finally, like the Oakland Occupiers, violence. It’s all there in the manual.

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» thethorn on 08.15.12 @ 01:18 PM

Socaljay is right on. The rambler is out to lunch. Obama was mentored by
Frank Marshall Davis ( communist) as revealed in FBI files and he taught + used
Saul Alinsky’s techniques as a community organizer in Chicago. Both of these
men had a strong influence on Obama,and he is carrying out many of their
goals today.

.Rambler- Do some research instead of making up lies about people who
disagree with you. PS. I graduated from college and was a teacher.

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» socaljay on 08.15.12 @ 02:15 PM

“If any of you (Bishop, Thorn, or Jay) had spent half as much time and effort on getting a college education as you have trying to dig up dirt on your black president, you may have turned out okay. Like fools, you chase red herrings and attack straw men. == Rambler”

You just can’t figure it out, can you? I actually studied all about the Weather Underground in college while attending a domestic terrorism course for my Homeland Security Certification. During that course I read their manifesto, written by Bernadine and Bill, as well as Prairie Fire for my term paper for which I got an ‘A’.

I’m actually working on my Master of Science degree while working full time. Aside from being a history-in-general buff, I take great interest in the history of this country and the U.S. Constitution, which represents the true commitment to the citizens of this country to ensure freedom and liberty from the possibility of a tyrannical government.

As such, my studies have included potential threats to our country from within. The takeover of the Democrat Party by radical leftist progressives in the ‘60s is well documented, as is the slow and ponderous takeover of our education system my like-minded individuals. We could talk about the well-documented activism of the courts like the Ninth Circuit, but I’m sure you’d have a seizure before we could consummate that discussion.

The point is Rambler, that you don’t have the corner market on education, nor the right or wrong of things. That’s the wonder of this country, where a free man can hold to his beliefs without fear of death or exile. You might want to think about that as you continue to support an ideology that works to limit such freedoms.

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» publius on 08.15.12 @ 02:44 PM

Thorn has a perfect right to express her Tea Party conservative-Right opinions.

It is always educational to see how various people see the world, and understand
why.

It’s too bad that her phenomenal partisan enthusiasm for one side encourages her to often distort and smear those she doesn’t agree with, or understand. But that too is part of broader understanding of where the Tea Party mindset comes from.

Thorn rarely discusses the causes of America’s financial and economic distress.

No surprise there.

It would require her to contrast the Budget surplus and peace-time prosperity
her Rove-Cheney-Greenspan-Bush team inherited, with the profligate earmarks
and unrestrained funding that followed.

It would require her to explain the cause/cost of the Iraq invasion, and help us
find the non-existent WMDs.

Explain how the non-stop de-regulation promoted in the mid-2000s led almost directly to the rampant, under-collateralized speculation which brought
down much of the economy by 2007-08.

Explain how the Bush-Cheney-Paulson TARP 1 carted unlimited amounts of
taxpayer money out the door to bail out the failed speculations of Wall Street
and Big Bank speculations, with no conditions or repayment terms attached.

Explain where the un-funded Medicare “donut hole” came from.

Explain why the Doomsday Scenario to do mandatory cuts in all federal programs, including the bloated Defense budget, will kick in because Paul
Ryan, Mitt Romney, and most of the Republican leadership refused to sign on
to the Simpson-Bowles Deficit Reduction Task Force’s report, even though
Ryan was one of the guys who initiated the process.

It’s so much easier to go after milquetoast Obama in all of Thorn’s diatribes.

Facing the harsh Tea Party reality that most of the blame in the 2000s for the
explosion of the National Debt, and the busting of so many Budgets, came from
the Republican side of the aisle, or that voluntary private sector self-restraint
after “federal controls” were eased didn’t work, and pushed us toward the
abyss of another Great Depression, is probably pretty hard for Thorn to handle.

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» socaljay on 08.15.12 @ 03:53 PM

plubius, if it were as simple as your explanation and equally biased point of view, I’d agree. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy.

First, this is NOT at democrat versus republican thing, and never was. Quite simply, our current problems stem from a fundamental disagreement about who is in charge.

Constitutionalists believe it’s the people, and therefore any interference by government is seen as bad. Statists believe it’s the government, and therefore any input from the people is ignored.

As in all things, there are various shades of grey, just as there are various shades of opinion. Throughout our history, there have been Republican presidents who were statists. Teddy really started that ball rolling, and more recently it ended with Bush II. Conversely, there have been Democrat presidents who were statists as well. Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Carter and Obama are a few standouts. From a constitutionalists’ point of view, how much damage to our country do you believe the above named presidents have done to this country?

Then we come to America’s economic blight as we currently know it. You conveniently lay blame on the most recent republican dastardly duo, yet totally ignore that fact that BHO has doubled down on all bets. If what Bush & Co. did was bad, what’s happened to this country in the past four years is twice as bad. But I digress.

The temporary gains found during the Clinton years was built on the back of economic policies enacted in the ‘80s, and a moderate administration. But none of that really matters, because the foundation for our current woes was created decades before under Wilson and FDR. We’ve been gradually building upon that foundation since then. The problem is, the foundation was faulty. It sidestepped protections guaranteed by the constitution for the very reasons we see today. A citizenry who has discovered that it can vote itself a raise, and an elected body that can no longer lead us away from temptation.

You speak of unrestrained funding. Who was in charge of congress for TARP I? Who has outspent the last two years of Bush II by a margin of 3 to 1? It’s not a matter of recognizing that there is a cliff on the horizon and we’re racing towards it. It’s the fact that we’re speeding up the process so much there might not be any braking distance left to us. We’re building momentum from the foundational policies that were enacted before most of us were born.

Those policies were fueled by greed and a quest for power on both sides of the isle. Those policies were enacted in large part by statists who have no qualms with stealing the bread off of hard-working American families.

The Tea Party isn’t the problem, the out-of-control electorate is. There is just as strong a relationship between Democrats and Wall Street as there is with Republicans and Wall Street. Isn’t it time we stop with the either-or partisan party demagoguery? The answer lies in history. We have been shown the answers by those who came before us. Why is that so hard to understand?

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» thethorn on 08.15.12 @ 04:40 PM

I totally agree with socaljay. I am in the tea party because I don’t like what
either party has done, when it comes to the economy. However, what is
planned for our future is very radical, government control of everything. Our
economy + country are in big trouble.

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» 14noscams on 10.20.12 @ 12:37 PM

Socaljay: The “out of control electorate” is definitely the problem.(?) We need to increase alphabet agencies by an order of magnitude to establish this control if we’re serious about preserving the personal freedoms guaranteed by the constitution.

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» socaljay on 10.20.12 @ 08:38 PM

14noscams— nothing quite so nefarious. The electorate is out of control because they are misinformed. We need to reduce the size of government and return to educating voters about their personal and civic responsibilities in the context of a solid understanding of what our constitution means. A good way to do that would be to reduce the number of blatantly biased progressive educators who have overrun our education system. Maybe then people would actually have a choice instead of being force-fed propaganda. And maybe then public discourse would return to our country and people would begin to think for themselves again.

Then again, you could be displaying a measure of sarcasm, to which I would be stating the obvious.

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