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Debbie Brasket: Working Families Deserve Affordable Homes — Near You
Santa Barbara County is losing the affordable housing battle. More than 5,000 families are still waiting for help from the county Housing Authority. With an annual turnaround of about 1,600 openings, most will not find relief anytime soon. And with more homes in foreclosure, and growing unemployment, this situation is bound to get worse before it gets better.
At the same time, the county has a higher percentage of nonprofit groups — organizations created to serve the common good — than most other counties in California, and perhaps the nation. People here care deeply about people in need, and our food banks, neighborhood clinics and Boys & Girls Clubs are widely and generously supported.
Almost everyone understands and supports the need for more affordable housing — in theory — but when it actually comes down to zoning for or building affordable housing, people in nearby neighborhoods tend to come out in droves to oppose it.
The mentality seems to be: build it anywhere, everywhere, but not near me, please.
Some of this resistance has to do with a misunderstanding about the sorts of people who need affordable housing. A 2006 national study by the Center for Housing Policy showed that to afford a $248,000 home, an income of $84,000 was needed. This excluded most elementary school teachers, police officers, nurses and firefighters. To afford a two-bedroom apartment at $821 per month, an hourly wage of $15.79 was needed. This excluded most child-care workers, bank tellers, retail clerks and hairdressers — people we count on in almost every capacity of our lives.
The fact is, the people who need affordable housing are people we trust to wash our carpets, serve us coffee, groom our dogs, pick our produce, mow our lawns, service our cars, cut our hair, and teach our children. You’ll find many of them working at the local food bank and Boys & Girls Club, delivering food to the elderly, and helping kids stay drug-free. They aren’t criminals just waiting to move in next door so they can rob us blind. They are people we know well — essential members of our community. There is no correlation between safe, decent, affordable housing and street crime.
Another misconception about affordable housing is that it is ugly and can lower property values. The fact is no one builds tenements anymore. Affordable housing designs in the 21st century are a lot more attractive than most tract homes or apartment complexes built in the 1970s or ‘80s. If you look at Casa de las Fuentes in Santa Barbara (density of 56 units per acre) or the Ted Zenich Gardens in Santa Maria, you will see beautifully designed housing that outclasses the surrounding neighborhood. Several studies that track neighborhood home values before and after affordable housing is built, including one by the Institute for Urban and Regional Development, show an insignificant or positive effect on property values.
Some people oppose affordable housing because they think it will add to traffic congestion and overburden infrastructure. Yet a National Personal Transportation Survey by the Federal Highway Administration shows that low-income families living in affordable housing near jobs and public transportation make 40 percent fewer private vehicle trips than nearby families with higher incomes. Single-family neighborhoods have two to three times more school-age children than families living in apartments. In fact, several studies, including one by the Urban Land Institute, conclude that infrastructure costs dramatically decline as density increases.
We need to outgrow our base fears and outdated misconceptions about affordable housing and embrace our higher values of fairness and opportunity for all. The next time an affordable housing project is proposed nearby, ask yourself if the woman caring for your mother, or the man you trust to clean your carpets deserves a decent home — perhaps near you.
— Deborah Brasket is executive director of the Santa Barbara County Action Network (SB CAN). She can be reached at 805.722.5094 or at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address). This commentary originally appeared in the Santa Maria Times.
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» on 03.18.09 @ 04:49 AM
Sorry Deborah—-I don’t “fear” affordable housing or the people who live in it. I am one of the growing number of people who can simply do the math—-the more people we try to squeeze into an area that is geographically limited not by fear but by ocean, mountains, water supply and a desire to breathe—- the more rapidly our quality of life declines. Simple calculation—-not fear or bias. By the way—-you make it sound as if all that critical workforce—nurses, cops, teachers—-don’t want the same thing you have—-a single family home with a yard——-as one among that workforce let me tell you——-thats exactly what we want. Like in most major urban areas, we commute from where we can afford such a home—-that is not a phenomenon unique to Santa Barbara—-look anywhere in Europe, the U.S., etc——that’s just the way it is…....so stop spouting the rhetoric of the homebuilders association and Towbes——again, back to simple math—-they want to make more money per square foot—-not increase the quality of life
» on 03.18.09 @ 06:20 AM
It is working families that inhabit my neighborhood. The zoning laws were written to accomodate those who wanted to live on their own land in a single family residence set apart from high density and commercial uses.
Lots even as small as 1/8th acre or a little over 5,000 square feet can accomodate a comfortable three or four bedroom (2 or 3) bath home of anywhere from 1,8oo to 2,200 square feet of living area and 200 to 250 square foot garage ( a total “footprint” of 2,000 to 2,500 square feet). This can done nicely and tastefully while still creating larger areas of open space and room to play or recreate by the families living there and their children. This is accomplished with a modest front, side and back yard so the homeowner can have space and some privacy between them and their neighbors.
How can that be compared with a building containing 56 living units per acre? That leaves around 800 square feet of area for each resident not counting common areas and parking space. Obviously the living units must be stacked on top of each other in multi stories to even provide minimuc living space.
To reach anyuwhere near the “living area” that the single family home described above provides, this building would have to be 3 or 4 stories high or as high as 48 eight feet.
How could such a building be compatible in size, mass, bulk and scale in a neighborhood of one story or even two story single family homes? ( a modest two story home of 2,200 square feet of living area placesd on a 5,000 square foot lot takes up a “footprint” of onlyu about 1,200 square feet leaving the 3,900 remaining feet for an attached garage as well as a yard and landscaping.
Studies have shown that even dwellers who ride the bus regularly still have automobiles, few rely entirely upon public transportation 24/7. Where would you park another 56 cars or even another 40 cars? that serve the 56 unit per acre multi-family building you describe as a solution to the affordable home dilemma?
Don’t you thing the people you describe as “working families, (policemen, nurses, teachers, firemen, etc.) want to have a car and a yard? Most have working wives or husbands thus they are likely to have 2 cars. Even assuming only half the residents in your Utopia Meadows developement project had 2 cars, that would represent another 84 cars introduced into a single family urban or suburban type neighborhood.
I won’t even go into the calculations for authomobile day trips created by such a massive development and additional cars.
That is one of the major faults of the state mandated “affordable” housing regulations!
The State of California concludes that very high density residential housing will naturally become “affordable” simply because, One, it will be less desireable to those who want the American dream of their own little piece of America and Two, they are somewhat less expensive to build due primarily to lesser costs invested in the land on which it is built.
In the end, the only advantage to an owner by living in the type of condo style high density housing you have classified as “affordable”, is the fact that, as an owner, (just like a person who owns a standard condominium) they can deduct the interest they pay on a purchase loan from their tax returns along with any property taxes and possibly some of the common area fees, they will have to pay as opposed to an apartment renter who cannot make that deduction.
The common costs of outside areas and building maintenance costs must be born by those who own the property.
For renters it is the landlord, who undoubtedly includes that expense along with his property taxes, building maintenance and other costs, into the amount charged for rent.
These attempts to provide “affordable housing” by default, that is, no choice to buyers because they cannot afford their actual “American dream” of single family home ownership, are, at best, social engineering.
More importantly these type of high density buildings DO diminish the value of other single family one and two story homes situated in the same block or neighborhood. They most often create unmitigated negative impacts on the public services, privacy and private enjoyment of neighboring single family homeowners, increase traffic, noise and other forms of “polution” and lastly place far greater demands on public infrastucture that is often not balanced by increased tax revenues.
Debbie, I think you need to apply some psychology of human behavior to your analysis. If people want to have their little single family urban or suburban home and cannot afford what the market can provide, you need to find another way to change the market to fit the dream not apply social engineering to the dreamers to change their mind!
» on 03.18.09 @ 06:35 AM
Well put, “speak for yourself”. In my second grade classroom at Franklin School, I was taught that this area is a coastal desert, which in most years means low rainfall. The reservoir situation hasn’t changed in my 50+ years here but the numbers of people depending on the reservoirs certainly have. State water, voted in by Santa Barbarans during a drought and touted as our saving grace, has its own downside; primarily that the water has to come from somewhere and that somewhere is suffering from decreased rain/snowfall and its own growing pains. It’s kind of like socialism…eventually you run out of someone else’s money, but in this case, eventually you run out of someone else’s water. Santa Barbarans would do well to recognize how tenuous our water situation is and make some noise to slow down the growth in the area.
» on 03.18.09 @ 06:41 AM
Thank you for the information, Deborah.
And speak for yourself, “speak for yourself” - The assumption that everyone else wants exactly what you want just doesn’t hold water. Research shows that there in most places, there is enough typical, single family suburban housing out there to meet the demand, but there is a lack of housing in compact areas where people can walk, bike or take the bus and don’t have to jump in their car for every trip. Plenty of people want that type of housing, but there isn’t much available - even in the current housing slump. And, if we pursue that type of development instead of more and more quarter acre lots on the fringe, we’ll get less traffic, not more. It’s not just environmentalists and “homebuilders associations” who say this, it’s research institutes, and planning agencies all over the country.
» on 03.18.09 @ 06:41 AM
I live in a part of town with lots of affordable units…and they are the BEST MAINTAINED buildings in the area. The grounds are in much better shape than most in the area and there is no trash anywhere.
Other neighborhoods should be standing in line!
» on 03.18.09 @ 07:17 AM
I am a tenant at Case De La Fuentes, the downtown affordable housing apartments built by the City. This place is fantastic. It is very visually appealing, well designed and well kept.
Tenants at Casa are required to work in the downtown area at least 20 hours a week in order to be eligible. That means most of the tenants here are very responsible. Occasionally, we get an unpleasant neighbor, but this is true in any neighborhood. Unpleasant neighbors don’t usually last long though, and the apartments are mostly filled now with working couples, students, or single tenants like myself.
This affordable housing idea is a great success, and I hope the City and County continue this trend so that workers don’t have to commute from outside the City.
» on 03.18.09 @ 07:27 AM
Not everyone can afford to drive a fancy Mercedes. Not everyone can afford a 52 inch TV. And not every one can afford to live in Santa Barbara. That’s the way the world is. I don’t mean to be unsympathetic. But there are other places in the US that are more affordable.
People say if we don’t have “affordable” housing, we won’t have housekeepers and gardens. I’m willing to pay more if necessary to my housekeeper and my gardener.
If we continue to increase the density allowed in Santa Barbara the housing problem will be solved because SB will no longer be attractive and people will no longer want to live here!
» on 03.18.09 @ 07:39 AM
Deborah - do illegal immigrants also deserve an affordable home? I don’t see them mentioned.
» on 03.18.09 @ 07:42 AM
Deborah - does everyone who can barely afford to pay their own mortgage “deserve” to pay for housing for those who can’t afford it? What are you going to do when you chase the middle class out of town because they can’t afford to pay for themselves and everyone else too? These affordable units are better living than the place I am working three jobs to afford.
» on 03.18.09 @ 07:50 AM
I am not “afraid” of people who live in “affordable” housing it’s just that I can no longer “afford” to pay for them to live in a place that is nicer and newer than my own just so they can serve the wealthy! If you can’t afford to live in one of the nicest places in the world, then perhaps you shouldn’t! Is everyone entitled to live here just because they want to? Stop feeding us this BS. We are afraid and oh the poor workers that we “need”. Guess what I wash my own carpets, I do my own dishes and yardwork I serve myself my own coffee I cut my own hair I homeschool my kids, I wash my own carpet. Unless this “servant class” can offer a service that I absolutely need and must pay any price for, they are free to live elsewhere, or charge a price that allows them to do business. It’s a free country and a free market.
» on 03.18.09 @ 08:33 AM
Good piece by Brasket with lots of citations to back up the suppositions.
In Santa Barbara City at least, “affordable” housing when exacted as part of private residential projects still is targeted to households that earn well in excess of $100K per year. Not quite the lowlife population one perceives when concerned about who is in “affordable” housing.
Still SB City policies allow way more unaffordable housing to be built in exchange for a token amount of even this semi-affordable housing, which all exacerbates the imbalance between local jobs and local housing and only draws affluent new residents who drive their cars all over town and stimulate a demand for even more low-wage workers who cannot afford to live in south Santa Barbara County.
Housing policies by local government will only be able to nibble around the edges of the jobs-housing imbalance. The best priority should be regional transportation so workers still can get to their job places without clogging the roads and freeway.
» on 03.18.09 @ 07:13 PM
Face the reality that Santa Barbara is a resort beach town. And like Beverly Hills, not everybody can live here, just like everybody can’t drive a new Mercedes Benz. So if you can’t afford it, quit your bellyaching and move out of town.
» on 03.18.09 @ 07:17 PM
The vast majority of the voters don’t want no affordable housing “projects” and the crime that it brings in our town. No No No
Move the lowlife elsewhere!
» on 03.19.09 @ 12:35 PM
Debbie, the problem is not that simple. We have zoning laws to enhance the quality of life for all residence including those at the lower socio-economic scale. Most affordable housing is subsidized through density modifications to market rate housing and then pushed onto “infill” parcels, most often in low density neighborhoods. This is a disaster; it has hurt your cause tremendously and has further enhanced the animosity toward development in general. The time has come to stop treating housing like a disease, dumping it where it is the least problem for government. We need to stop regionalizing neighborhoods and treat neighborhoods like the small communities they should be. There is a place for high density development and that is usually in downtown cores, where the infrastructure, commerce and services to serve larger more compact residential communities exists, this not true of the empty lot in single family suburban neighborhood. The entire “smart” development idea was run off the rails by government and industry that did not do their homework. The result is the animosity that has grown toward “infill” projects. Of course, the notion in this area that our downtown central cores should look like low density suburban areas is equally absurd. What is needed is intelligent planning based on a vision for how neighborhoods work best, not what is most expedient. That means less pandering by government to whatever special interest group is barking the loudest and following the neighborhood friendly vision. It also means community activist need to stop harping government and work out the details of the “grand vision” so that reactionary decision making is less favorable. Most of the responses on this column are from those who don’t want the “bad” urban infill and those who see the more affordable units built as a plus. The problem is they are both right but in the wrong location and as much as I loathe NIMBYism in this case the naysayers have good reason to be angry. I’ll even go out on a limb and defend some of the arguments for building height limits, though I believe them to be worse than anything, because they way they are applied makes bad development. It is time we stop applying broad, generalized and regionalized ordinances and regulations and start tailoring zoning to smaller communities within the larger urban framework. Taller, denser buildings are more concentrated in downtown cores and development density falls off rapidly from there. That is what people want. They don’t want a watered down medium density urban environment scattered everywhere, where it becomes a huge impact on transportation and changes the suburban character of their neighborhood. By the same token we have got to stop treating our central cores like they are suburbs and allow higher density in taller buildings. Santa Barbara, Goleta and UCSB get a big fat “F” in urban planning for doing the exact opposite even if some in the public at large have promoted it. To solve the jobs/housing imbalance and correct for past sins by government and activists it is going to take some real gutsy leadership that not only understands, believes in and articulates the “grand vision” but is unafraid to lead the community toward it. Until then expect things to get more factionalized and polar while little in the way of solutions is done.
» on 03.19.09 @ 12:40 PM
I would love a small affordable place right on Fernald Point or maybe at Hammonds Meadow. It’s just not fair that I have to live in Goleta and I think the City Council need to right this wrong! Power to the people baby. I’m calling Obama…
» on 03.19.09 @ 05:53 PM
Mark, You are so full of s—-!
You just don’t know hat you are talking about. The vast majority of americans want to live in a detached cottage on their own little piece of land in a small town. Only a tiny tiny minority want to live in a little box on the 4th floor in a monster building downtown like chickens in a chicken factory.
Proof is that the condos downtown can’t be sold at an price and even the affordable condos downtown cant be sold. Almost nobody except you wants to live that way. And those few who do change their minds as soon as the get married and have kids.
Whether you and the few of your kind like it or not, the voters have taken it into their own hands and are going to just say no to high density vertical smart growth and no to monster 60 feet building in November when the vote yes on the citizens 50 feet height initiative.
So move to LA!
» on 03.19.09 @ 06:04 PM
So you think that Santa Barbara deserves a big fat F in urban planning.
Well I got news for you Buckwheat!
Santa Barbara is the most beautiful and most desirable city in the world!
It is not like this by accident but is like this only because we didn’t follow the advice of the likes of you and allow it to become just another big overdeveloped California City with no character.
If we followed the advice of the likes of you our cherished town would be raped and transformed by the developers into just another big city like an other big city full of tall buildings.
Is there not room in the country for those of us who cherish Santa Barbara just the way it is and want to preserve and protect it.
If you don’t appreciate it the way it is please move!
“If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.”
by
Less is More
» on 03.20.09 @ 06:25 AM
Leslie, you need to pull off the rose colored glasses and then take a chill pill. Wait, no, take the chill pill first so when you take yer blinders off you don’t go into shock. It gets very tiring listening to idiots like you pull out the 40 year old mantra of “evil developers”. Get a life, realize the world does change, and learn how to adapt to it.
Now then, Santa Barbara WAS one of the most desirable places to live until the types of ordinances mindless, ignorant twits like you enacted to “preserve” the city. In your fear driven fanaticism you actually destroyed the very character of this once great city. You thought that squashing buildings flat would stop growth, it did not. You thought preventing road building and widening would stop growth, it did not. You thought down zoning would stop growth, it did not. You thought demonizing the tool of growth, developers, would stop growth and it did not. So what did you gain? You ruined the one of the most startling characteristics of Santa Barbara in southern California, its dense, multi storied downtown urban ambience and replaced it with the character of a suburban strip mall, al la red tile roofs. You created traffic as bad as LA’s. You created one of the most expensive real estate markets forcing most of the middle class out. And you managed to create one of the most fascist, over bearing, freedom robbing governments in the U.S. all so you can see more red tile.
The point is Less, there are ways to do things and there are ways to avoid. As much as I love to berate the preservationist crowd in this town for the damage they have done, I am actually on your side. I do not want to see this area end up like the rest of southern California. I detest the current crop of low rise mixed use buildings in down town because they are too low and sprawled out. No amount of makeup (red tile) can hide their hideous shape. Smaller and taller is the way to go in the down town core. The very boundaries of the El Pueblo Viejo district should be where the tallest structures are built and the height and density should fall off rapidly from there. Your latest “squish em flatter” ordinance will do nothing but create 45 foot tall structures everywhere in a monotonous sea of same height buildings. Good God what an ugly monument to small, lazy minded fear driven politics! There is a better way to do it but that will never happen until you my friend back off your hysterical fear of development and let the professional urban designers do what they know best. If preserving Santa Barbara is what you really want I suggest you do a little history study first and see just what Santa Barbara was before you showed up (hint – almost all the city’s tallest buildings were built before 1930).
P.S. My apologies for the tongue lashing, but the emotion cuts both ways Buckwheat.
» on 03.20.09 @ 10:23 AM
You say we did not stop growth.
What have you been smoking?
The population was 90,000 in 2000 and the population in 2009 is the same 90,000. No growth in 9 years!
So that fact is taht we have stopped growth.
And, whether you like it or not, majority rules and the voters are going to approve the citizens ballot measure to lower the maximum building height to 40 feet which will continue to keep our population at around 90,000 for another 50 years.
The likes of you are in favor of high density vertical smart growth with hundreds and hundreds of 60 feet monstrosities like those on Chapala, which would transform our city from a charming small town character into just another LA type big city of 200,000 people.
So accept you impotency to get your desired high density population growth, or move if you don’t like Santa Barbara the way it is. Because we the majority of the voters are going to preserve it.
And by the way, did I mention that you don’t know what you are talking about when it comes to city planning.
Less is More
» on 03.21.09 @ 08:21 AM
OK Less, it’s obvious you are not playing with a full deck and your reading comprehension sucks too. It is also obvious you are new to the area and do not know its history or you’ve been in a coma. So let me enlighten you. The ordinances and restrictions I mentioned were put into place over a 40 year period in which 15,000 new residents came to live in the city. Where have been? Oh, maybe your one of them? Hmmmmm.
Now for a little lesson in urban planning for Less (education) is More (stupid voter initiatives). The voter initiative is for 45 feet not 40 and it will not stop growth you moron it will only push it out. You keep believing that though, because all any bad legislation needs to survive is idiots who think its good. The 60 foot monstrosities you mention, which I have also opposed for the opposite reasons (smaller and taller!) than you are a direct result of the current 60 foot restriction. So your ignoramus voter led 45 foot restriction will just create 100’s of shorter monstrosities. Get it Less. Do I need to go to a 4th grade vernacular to explain it or has your cult worship of fascist government blinded you to all reason? Those monstrosities are a visual blight because they are too low and spread out. Lopping 15 feet off the top will not change that and will force such buildings to consume more area and become an even greater visual obstacle.
Never once have I ever said I was in favor of rapid growth or any growth at all. And if you read some of my other posts around the local blogs (or even on this thread) you would see that I have routinely denigrated the local version of “smart growth” as being, well stupid.
Now then let me remind you of a little known fact about Santa Barbara that you kool-aid drinkers just haven’t the courage to accept, Santa Barbara is not a small town, it is not at all charming and when some gang banger stabs you for drug money you will be brutally aware of how off the rocker you morons really are. Santa Barbara was a big city even when it was small like around the turn of the last century. They built (OMG!) a skyscraping 7 story hotel on Burton Mound in 1905, the two tallest commercial structures in the city now, the Granada and balboa buildings (8 and 6 stories) in the 1920’s, the tallest government building, the court house, in the 1920’s and in fact most of the city’s multi storied buildings were built in this time period. The city was a destination of importance, the place to be when not in SF or LA. It was the commercial, cultural, political and financial center for the tri-counties. So what happened? The depression, the war and then the post war population boom made other urban areas more attractive and SB went into a near coma. If not for the booming growth of high tech industry in Goleta there would have been no reason to be here at all. The city was taken over by the anti establishment types who had a vision of turning this once great and proud city into their personal yuppie suburban shopping mall. So take your little hysterics over Chapala style monstrosities and apply a liberal dose of historic perspective. You and your fine little band of lunatic suburbanites has done more damage to the character of this town than any developer could ever hope to. It is the small ignorant minded who have use government as a sledge hammer to destroy exceptionalism and create a city of overwhelming mediocrity.
And, any time you want to pit your urban planning skills against mine, bring it on cup cake.
» on 03.21.09 @ 05:33 PM
AN50 , you are so full of s—-!
I never heard a bigger load of crap in my life.
In fact your blabber and nonsense is not even worth my time responding to.
and many of us would much prefer to have 1000 new units spread out all over town in 50 twenty unit projects than in 20 fifty unit 60 feet monstrosities like those on Chapala.
And I will pit my urban planning skills, and knowledge, against yours any place and any time. Bring it on Buckwheat. Share your credentials with us. I have a 6 year masters degree in architecture and 40 years successful experience in real estate development and planning.
Less is More
» on 03.21.09 @ 07:43 PM
SBCAN is a socialist extremest organization.
Thank God their attitudes and socialist goals do not match that of the vast majority of the voters!!
Save our town and quality of life, and Just say NO to their socialist platform.
» on 03.22.09 @ 07:56 AM
Another credential to add to your resume is intellectual narcissism, Lesslie. I don’t care if you have a PhD in architecture you are bloody wrong. Back up your nonsense with facts. But first learn how to read, you insipient moron. I get tired of lazy title wavers who don’t do their home work or even bother to read the blog response they’re raging against. Whatta maroon!
If you read what I actually wrote you would see that I prefer the very same thing you do and that I too do not like the sprawled out structures going up today, like Chapala One. The only difference is I prefer taller structures in the downtown core and shorter ones as they move out away. Is that what you have a problem with Lester? You want a uniform building height everywhere? Where did you go to school, the Soviet Socialist Republic School of Utilitarian Architecture? My God man, how can you make such a title waving claim and have such a stunted vision of our city’s architecture?
I prefer the “village” concept of urban development. This concept is scalable with density so that at the core a “village” could be a single building or a single block of buildings, whereas in the suburbs it becomes a neighborhood of single family dwellings. The key is that each village has some basic services and recreational facilities at its core and uses natural geography (as much as possible) to bound the village. The upper population limit is about 2000. Beyond that the village loses the intimacy necessary for cohesive relationships with its residents. The principle feature of this vision is that the village’s house people and they are tightly bound by a strong central core, like a downtown Santa Barbara. This concept is not what the so called “smart growth” advocates are putting out there and they have done their cause a grave disservice. I have learned to reject the southern California development model which is miles and miles of monotonous featureless two dimensional developments with no discernable core. Maybe that is what you prefer, but it is not Santa Barbara and has no place here. SB’s dense downtown core with multistoried buildings bucks the SoCal trend and that is what attracted me here to begin with. I reject you Less because you want to turn this town into just another flat featureless coreless suburb al la Disney theme park with red tile roofs. It literally makes me sick to listen to you nit wits and I’ve been doing it for forty years. Enough already, time to kick you boobs out into the light of day and expose your madness.
As far as credentials, what difference does it make what I tell you? I can spew all the engineering, architectural and life accomplishments I want, but until I actually put an idea or two out there for you to judge (like the above village concept) you still know nothing about me. So far you have done a terrible disservice to your profession by spewing over generalized, fear mongering talking points for Bill Mahan’s political crusade. Prove that Masters is more than a piece of sheepskin on your wall and tell us what you have for a vision, instead of rejecting anything that goes contrary to the no nothing never culture here.
There is no way you are getting off easy here pal. You want to title wave, back it up. Meanwhile I will give you my vision; I will give you details of that vision right down to the smallest of details if necessary. I will give you my ideas to judge, not titles. 40 years is a long time to spend learning nothing and that is all we know of you, nothing.
» on 03.22.09 @ 02:44 PM
Like anyone-you made a few good points. Like your idea for villages. people prefer to live in a village rather than on the 4th story box on Chapala street downtown.
And I admit that my reply was not so much aimed at you or your vision but all those who want tall building built downtown, and that part of your vision.
Now this conversation has nothing at all to do with either you or me. I was not trying to wave my credentials for an other purpose than to try and coax information about your background.
What you just don’t seem to understand is that people like me are not at all trying to change Santa Barbara but rather love it exactly the way it is and are trying to preserve it’s wonderful small town character for the next generations. We are not advocating suburban sprawl rather we are opposing the high density smart growth advocates who are trying to transform Santa Barbara into just another big city with massive tall monster buildings downtown. We are not at all advocating for miles and miles of monotonous featureless two dimensional developments. That is not at all what Santa Barbara currently is and is not at all what we are trying to preserve. There can be huge variation in building height in 45 feet all the way from 1 story 2 story, 3 story and 4 story.
What we are trying to do is to have Santa Barbara continue to be a slow growth community, as it has ben for 40 years, and one that is sustainable, lives within it’s resources, has a high quality of life, and no increase in traffic congestion.
It is a fact that in any ecosystem a lower population is more sustainable than a larger population.
We believe that it is change that is inevitable but that population growth is not inevitable but can be controlled. Consider a library that has a constant number of 10,000 books and can change some books each year while keeping the number the same. We believe that a town does not have to grow in order to have a vital an health economy, proof that this can be done is in the fact that Santa Barbara has had a flat 90,000 population for the last 9 years and is quite vital and healthy.
Consider the history of urban planning in Western Civilization. It can be traced back 4000 years and the path evolved directly from Egypt , to Greece, to Italy, to Europe , to America. Cities have ben consciously planned over this 4000 year period. Over this 4000 years there have been dozens and dozens of City planning concepts that have ben tried by city planners. Each one has failed. So City planners eagerly jump on each new idea that comes long hoping that it will finally be the elusive “answer”.
The latest ‘fad’ city planing idea is called new urbanism or “smart growth”. It was born out of the hatred by some of cars and the hatred by some of sprawl. But it was not developed based on what people want and need rather was based on what some didn’t want. development. And therefore it is lacking. And “smart growth” is a one size fits all approach and therefore it is lacking.
Smart growth is to to pack the people in high density vertical development.
What smart growth failed to take into account, and the reason it , tool, is going to fail, is that people just don’t want to live that way. The vast majority of people want to live in their own cottage on their own little piece of land a low density small town “village”. Yes we can locate jobs and shopping in each ‘village’ and connect each village by transit, but we simply don’t need the social engineering of “smart growth” to force people to live downtown, in the urban core, in a box on the 4th story of a huge monstrosity.
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» on 03.22.09 @ 06:25 PM
Right on Less! Couldn’t agree with you more. Ok, so now that we got all that hostility outta the way and you and I can agree on a few things here, like the village concept and the fact that most people, given the choice would rather live in a detached single family home on a lot (I do and I surrounded my little tract house with an urban forest to boot), and we can agree that “smart growth” as practiced is a disaster. We can also agree that none of us wants to see Santa Barbara degraded by over development or even wrong development (your historical note well put).
That leaves us with the one bone of contention that you and I may never agree on and that is building heights. I have a different view of taller buildings, their place in urbanity and their effect on the human population. I disagree that no one wants to live in taller structures. As much as I would prefer my home in the “village” many urban professionals love the exhilaration and breathtaking views of high rise living. I have to say the view from the eighth floor of the Granada building is awesome! But your animosity toward the monstrosities, as you describe them, sounds more like a cry for some sort of sanity in the design of these buildings and a rallying cry against the destruction of our urban cores by dopy “smart growth” urban infill crap. What if a building was built at the urban core say six stories but the foot print was 50 feet by 75 feet? Much smaller than these sprawling structures and even though taller the smaller profile would not be nearly so obtrusive to the visual skyline, particularly at pedestrian level. Do you see where I’m coming from? Of course, building hundreds of these type structures would defeat the purpose of allowing them in the first place. So you have to apply air space formulas to make sure that the skyline is not crowded out and that variety of vertical height is maintained. It is complex, requires a myriad of overlapping design rules that only professional architects with their schooling and sense of aesthetic could sort out. No something left to the cold sterile hammer of government intervention.
This has been my rallying cry. That we stop brute forcing broad over generalized “one size fits all” ordinances and design rules on the one profession capable of handling much much more design complexity. That we stop thinking of our downtown core as something that it has never been, small and charming. Santa Barbara has always been a big town even when it was small! Think of the old Potter and look at the majority of the city’s taller structures, all built before the 1930’s. I simply cannot accept that building a taller structure downtown is out of character with the buildings built nearly a century ago. I simply cannot accept that the one characteristic of Santa Barbara that attracted me in the first place, the urban feel of its downtown core is the one thing people here hate.
Anyway Less, I appreciate your response and don’t expect you or anyone else to understand where I’m coming from. I have learned over the last 40 years that I am the odd one in this town. But one thing I cannot let go of no matter what anyone has told me and that is I know deep down inside I am right. That even though I agree with the desperation of those oppose to any development, I realize that development is nothing but a tool. That getting angry with the tool instead of its application does no good. Time we all took a big deep breath and started talking sense and not fear and loathing.
» on 03.23.09 @ 11:20 AM
I, too, don’t mind looking at our historic buildings that are 60 feet or mote such as the Granada theater, or the arlington or he courthouse tower.
But the reason they are acceptable, or add to the overall visual effect, is that they are both old in style ( and so are compatible with the historic character of Santa Barbara, and are few and far between ( so preserve mountain views and don’t create a canyon effect and block the sunlight).
The reason we need a 40 or 45 feet height limit is because we residents have no control over what kind of massive development might occur in the future, and would result in significant population growth that such high density would bring.
We have no control over how close such high building are located to each other and non control over the aesthetic character or compatibility.
Yes we have an ABR and Landmarks but they can be overruled on appeal to city council. It is a fact that political control varies over time from Council to Council and sometimes the pro-growthers are in control.
Case in point. Think back to 1969 when developers proposed two 9 story, 110 feet tall, high rise towers at the location of Alice Keck park. The city planning Commission denied them but the developer appealed it to the the City Council who approved them. It took a citizen initiative to stop them.
I have traveled throughout the country and many cities the same size as Santa Barbara have several ugly 12 story high rise buildings. The effect is that these cities just don’t have the wonderful ‘small town” charming character that Santa Barbara does.
Consider those two high rise towers in Oxnard near the freeway. Do you really think Santa Barbara would be better off with 100 such towers scattered along our waterfront and downtown? Thank God most of us don’t. Or we would have them.
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» on 03.23.09 @ 01:40 PM
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I would never advocate building anything like the Oxnard towers here. One of the biggest misconceptions I get when I say that I favor taller buildings is that somehow that means I’m in favor of anything taller. Nothing is further from the truth. I like the 820 State Street building built in 1965 at 5 stories in a Spanish motif but find the 5 story Lyon building on Cota ugly though built in 1924. So there is an example of things done in recent times that are better. What this means is I am an advocate of the architectural community taking back their role in urban design. I do understand your fear, but the answer is not crushing regulation which has robbed the architectural community of their God given gift to design, it’s giving the problem to those with the education, vision and creativity to make things work. I remember well the El Mirasol project and was very disturbed at the local response to it. I agree that two 9 story condo towers outside of the core were hostile to the city’s unique character. It was just more of the same SoCal method of development; put anything you want wherever you want without any regard for aesthetics. But the response was to reject anything and to adopt the small town charm mantra you speak of. The phrase “cut off your nose to spite your face” comes to mind. We don’t need 100’s of taller towers here. We don’t really need many new building at all but I would rather they be taller than shorter, consuming less land and maintaining the unique urban character of downtown Santa Barbara. As far as small town charm goes, we loss that a long time ago when we decided who could stay who could go and left our streets to the gangs. We really need to assess the rather shallow notion that somehow a place is charming simply by what it looks like without regard to what is going on with its people.
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