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Copenhagen for Dummies: What Came of the Climate Conference?
[Noozhawk’s note from Sarah Ettman-Sterner, Green Hawk interactive producer: Green Hawk provides a forum for me to reach readers with current information, news, trends and views on the state of the environment and sustainable living. Unlike some traditional news sources in print, on TV or the Web, the objective is to position rich, interactive content focused on Santa Barbara’s “green scene” on the front lines of Noozhawk, instead of burying it in the back, out of sight and out of mind. Green Hawk is also the place to feature the thoughts and opinions of young people interested in protecting the environment, students who are poised to inherit the Earth and the responsibilities that go with this endeavor. It is my pleasure to introduce you to and welcome Emily Williams, a first-year environmental studies major at UCSB. As a Green Hawk intern and contributor, Emily fills a valuable niche. She is Green Hawk’s eyes and ears — on the “prowl” at UCSB and on the scene in Isla Vista, seeking out stories and activities to share with our community. Originally from San Francisco’s South Bay area, she grew up with both a Northern and Southern California eco-mentality. Emily’s interest in the environment evolved from her annual summer visits to the beach. When she’s not in classes or focusing on the environmental issues that surround us, Emily says she “loves sunsets and long walks on the beach. Other than that, it’s all about music!”]
Copenhagen, Denmark, the United Nations Climate Change Conference — the conference to change the world.
Ringing a bell? Don’t feel bad if it doesn’t. The sad truth is this much-anticipated, “world-renowned” conference already happened — with many none the wiser of its occurrence.
First off, for us common folk, what was the conference all about? From Dec. 7-18, 2009, leaders of 192 countries around the world (including the United States, Great Britain and China) met to discuss ways to reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the atmosphere to 350 ppm. 350 ppm? That’s a fancy way of saying that for every million particles of “stuff” in the air, only 350 of those particles are carbon dioxide. The sad truth is, we’re at 388 ppm.
It also was the aim of the conference to keep temperature increases below 2 degrees Celsius. (The fact that even an increase of 2 degrees Celsuis would be catastrophic to ocean and terrestrial life doesn’t seem to factor into the political thought process.)
What came of it, other than a bunch of fancy jargon? Nothing.
A document called the Copenhagen Accord was written and signed by a handful of the countries in attendance, including the United States, China, India, South Africa and Brazil. Not only did they fail to sign the document, but the agreement itself has no legally binding requirements.
According to the accord, these countries “emphasize [their] strong political will to urgently combat climate change” with “differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities.” Well, that’s all very well, but what does that mean? It means that the countries want the issue of climate change to be solved but don’t want to take on the responsibility themselves. It’s oh-so much easier to let some other country do the work.
Click here to view the Webcast.
The Copenhagen Accord wasn’t all bad. It did one thing: It got the countries to agree that action must be taken, and there was general acknowledgment that climate change is a serious issue that will take the world cooperating together to solve. Gulp! Since when has the world been able to work together? Maybe this will be a first.
So, why was the world so oblivious to this eye-opening meeting? There’s the argument that most people don’t even know where Copenhagen is (it’s in Denmark, by the way, aka Northern Europe). But even well-read university students had the deer-in-the-headlights stare when asked what they thought about the Copenhagen summit. Need proof?
I was curious just how ignorant people were to the existence and outcomes of the conference, so I put together a little survey and posted it on the most-checked Web site — Facebook. Strangely enough, it was hard enough even getting responses. Yet, after repeated postings of the survey, I got the following consensus. My worst fears were confirmed.
My survey reached high school students, college students and graduates. My first question was whether they knew what the Copenhagen conference was. The response? Fifty percent were clueless. The two people who actually knew what the accord was declared it “an utter failure.” How can you describe the Copenhagen Accord any better?
Why is it that no one knows about it? When I asked if they thought the conference was successfully publicized, there was a uniform response — no. Walking around the UCSB campus in the weeks leading up to the conference, I was struck by the utter lack of any publicity. With UCSB being such an environmentally conscious campus, you would think the campus would be covered in promotion for the upcoming environmental conference between the nations of the world! Well, if you did think so, you thought wrong.
However, all is not lost. We are in luck,because UCSB is doing something to try to redeem the climate-wise-uneducated campus. It sent 24 students to the Copenhagen conference, and now there’s a chance to hear from the students and influential voices in the climate debate! (Click here to check out their blog.)
I’m part of an environmental studies course, ES 193, that is collaborating with UCSB groups on an upcoming conference in the wake of COP 15. The Our Planet, Our Problem Conference will be held April 9 at UCSB, with a student panel discussion on April 10. There will be such speakers as Mary Nichols, chairwoman of the California Air Resources Board; Kandi Mossett, tribal campus climate challenge organizer; Jim Dehlsen of Wind Powering America; and state Sen. Fran Pavley of District 23, which includes portions of Los Angeles and Ventura counties.
I highly encourage one and all to come to these two days of climate discussion, whether or not you’re well-versed in climate jargon. This conference is open to the public (stay tuned to the Web site for details.)
However, if you’re unable to make the trek to this eye-opening event, I will be on the scene. Keep an eye out for a report on the talks.
— Emily Williams is an environmental studies major at UCSB.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 12:19 AM
Emily you’re a good writer and seem to have a good heart. Do not rely on UCSB for your REAL education however my dear. Climate change (changed from global warming) is about a whole lot more than “climate.”
As Zuckerman says in a recent article Obama is trying to “boil the ocean.”
Clueless may indeed be the downfall of your generation!
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» on 03.12.10 @ 08:26 AM
Nice addition to Noozhawk BUT make sure we get both sides of the issues.
When Mary Nichols is at the conference please ask her why the California Air Resources Board chooses to ignore or not take into consideration the impact to the the California ecomony of the regtulations they are handing down. If we allow AB32 to be totally implemented it will kill the economy.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 08:33 AM
DailySound is also guilty of not reporting a historic international event. The coverage afforded this event was treated as trivial as Obama only visited Copenhagen on his way to Oslo Norway to retrieve his Nobel Peace Price. See the Contradiction.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 08:55 AM
AB32 will not kill the economy. If California takes the lead in energy independance, alternative technology then we will create many high paying jobs and improve our trade deficit. UCSB is an excellent university and particularly strong in the fields of science.
It is not all about drill baby drill. Great article and yes human caused climate change is very real. Everyone has a right to their opinion. However, in the case of climate change the only opinions of any value are the experts and the people qualified. I love it when people like Senator Imoff from Oklahoma or Glenn Beck pontifiate on this subject because they reveal just how ignorant they really are. The degree of human influence is up for an intelligent debate but the denial folks are in the same camp as the anti-evolution crowd.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 09:14 AM
Here’s a thought. Quite wasting energy debating the existence of “climate change”, which has been called into question due to bad behavior by some of its proponents (massaging data, refusing to share data, etc.). When scientists take the position that their science is not open to further study and question, then they have become religious converts, not scientists. And the subject of climate change has certainly taken on all the characteristics of a religious, not scientific, debate.
Focus instead on energy conservation, pollution control, saving the rain forests, limiting population growth. Progress in all of these areas will help “climate change” if it exists and if it doesn’t exist, they are all good things to do anyway.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 09:24 AM
I am sickened to hear that UCSB sent 24 students to this worthless conference when the UC System is hurting for funding and raising fees by 30%...one more classic example of a broken system that needs radical overhaul!
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» on 03.12.10 @ 10:38 AM
I am very surprised by the lack of people knowing about the Conference. It was on the News almost everynight. It was a very big deal as people were concerned that Obama would sign an agreement to commit the USA. The analysts were trying to figure out if it would be binding as Obama would have to take it to the House and Senate for them to vote on.
Heck, I remember Obama had to leave the conference early so he could arrive back in DC before the the blizzard arrived.
If the people Sarah contacted were so clueless and were students and grads, they should try spending more time paying attention to the world around them and lay off the Play Station, WII, partying and surfing.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 11:26 AM
The USs brief presence at Copenhagen offered a capitalist solution of bartering buckets of acceptable pollution units. The presses clamored about the offer in aid the US agreed to if our terms were agreed to, but the people that would bear the expense did not accept a monetray solution with impending doom.
Leaders of the Developed nations cannotacknoweledge that it is precisley our economic insitutions that has brought us to this brink.
As Einstein put it best, you cannot solve a problem with the same consciousness that created it.
We are at a paradigm shift. The approach has to come from a different mind-set. A profitable solution inherently creates a social loss.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 12:28 PM
AB32 is a travesty. It will kill far more jobs than it creates and devastate the California economy. CARB is a rouge agency that answers to no one.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 01:58 PM
Thanks for an informative, eye-witness article about the Copenhagen conference.
In the early ‘90s, when Newt Gingrich took over Congress, the clarion call was for “more sound-science” on key subjects, like climate, water, energy, pollution, etc.
Science research teams fanned out trying newer, better experiments, and newer,
better analysis tools, to present more reliable data sets and potential trends.
So now the National Academy, NASA’s science director, a wide range of Nobel
science laureates, and experimental physicists, chemists, climatologists, have
all submitted new reports and analysis.
But since much of the “more sound-science” continued to point to rising danger
to the earth’s atmosphere, climate, water supply and quality, the new response
from the Rove-Cheney-Bush, “intelligent design” wing of of the brutal, post-Scopes world, is that “most modern science is wrong,” and you should no longer believe it.
Right.
It rarely occurs to re-born fundamentalists, and FOX-tv minions, that they’re
being cynically jerked around as naive true-believers, by folks with a lot of bucks at stake in all this.
After the Bush Supreme Court majority ruled that Exxon, Chevron, AIG, are really “people”, who are allowed to spend as much as they want in politics,
you will see them roll out their fake, front-group think-tank shells to lobby
against sound-science, and against any agency or official who still supports it.
Energy independence gets its best bang for the buck neither from oil, coal & gas
nor from new nukes nor from new “green” energy.
Amory Lovins (among others) demonstrated pretty conclusively at the Wall St. Journal’s recent business summit at Bacara, that improved energy efficiency in buildings, systems, and transportation, provides the biggest, fastest, most sustainable return for each dollar of investment.
A side benefit is that more efficiency of homes, buildings, transport, means less
need for more (or even current) levels of energy ... which means less need for
oil, gas, and coal consumption.
But oil, gas, coal companies have Trillions of dollars at stake here. They won’t
will not cut back, voluntarily, when there are big bucks to be made.
Not to avoid climate change. Not to avoid ruining the oceans. Not to please
Republicans, Democrats, Flat Earthers, or Christ-returned-to-Earth for Easter.
They already own one national political party. They will try to spend the bucks
to own the airwaves too.
Just because the author of this article is an idealistic college student doesn’t
mean that her assessment of Copenhagen, or the issues facing California, are
wrong.
Please think carefully about what she’s said.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 02:10 PM
Ah, publius, once again wasting energy castigating Bush. Get over it; he’s gone; the past is past; focus on what to do now. Forget the “climate change” moniker; it is becoming discredited due to bad behavior by some of its scientists and religious zealotry by its proponents. Focus instead on pollution control, population control, energy self-sufficiency, etc., all of which matter much more than whether “climate change” is real or not, because if it is real then action on these topic will help solve the problem.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 02:36 PM
Nikola Tesla discovered free energy more than 100 years ago. It can be distributed like your wireless connection from a tower. But free energy threatens the current monetray structure. Even at the expense of total destruction the egotistical power mongers refuse to welcome the new paradigm. Rockerfeller and Edison worked to undermine Tesla’s contribution to free society becuase of their refusal to relinquish control. You see, you can’t put a meter on free energy.
This fact is slowly trickling to the masses, but its a race against time.
This is all a grand political charade. The solutions are available, but control has to be relinquished by the Power Brokers. This mind-set has run its course. Time to welcome the New Age.
Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night!
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» on 03.12.10 @ 03:56 PM
Ms. Williams referred to “(The fact that even an increase of 2 degrees Celsuis would be catastrophic to ocean and terrestrial life doesn’t seem to factor into the political thought process.)”
What is her source?
I don’t doubt that there have been multiple 2% Celsuis increases multiple times in our Earth’s history.
What if these multiple 2% increases are HEALTHY for the planet?
All life on Earth is adapted to the annual climate changes of much more than 2% Celsis that occur throughout the seasons.
The changes in Earth’s temperature (both up and down) over thousands and millions of years encourages adaptations in all species that make them stronger and eliminate the weaker.
That Ms. Williams takes on this quirky “Green” way of living/being is comical and naive.
The sad part of the many “Green Supporters” is that there are so many other truly worthwhile and immediate causes that could be addressed and improved upon with their time, imagination and money.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 04:27 PM
The Darwinian theory of survival of the fittest is suitable for our current capiatlist culture. It justifies the rape of our Earth. This theory has now been proven wrong in the new paradigm. Its is flawed and self destructive. Not natural to life sustaining behavior.
Natural is survival in a social network of communities. This fundamental is evident in our cellular structure. The more sofisticated the life form, the more complicated the cellular structure, creates communities to preserve its existence.
Courage to question our cultural assumptions is the means to explore solutions in a new paradigm.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 05:34 PM
What is more disturbing Mark, is the intellectual arrogance of believing you can hold an atmospheric component steady. Really Emily, you believe we can hold CO2 to 350ppm? What if to do so required the reduction of the human population by 4 billion people and forcing the rest to live a scavenger style life barely subsisting? What if that needed to happen over a ten year period and half way through when you murdered so many for this and you were half way to your goal, some damned volcano blows up in Sumatra and not only puts all the CO2 back you killed so many for but a thousand times more than that? Now a weakened distressed human population must cope with the climate change that was always going to happen no matter what you did. The end will be quick. We would go the way of the dinosaur, the most dominant species on earth utterly incapable of adapting to change.
I see this as more than just naiveté, it is a cancerous form of narcissism that blinds people intellectually. Emily would serve the environmental community much better if she got away from the rampant misanthropy in the movement and realize we are not GOD. Yes we have peculiar tendency to defecate in our own living space or foul our own drinking water. Then as if drugged on crack believe we can change the entire planet climate. We could learn much from Native Americans on ecological stewardship, but then the misanthropes in the environmental movement would not like the wholesale terra forming natives did to the mountains of California some 30,000 years ago. Oh the hypocrisy.
The planet is getting warmer, as it has done for the last 8000 years. It will continue to do this until some cycle completes itself and we get colder or some catastrophic event modifies it. We can only dump the CO2 into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels that was once there already. Unless you believe all fossil fuels were deposited on earth long ago by aliens and never had any contact with the atmosphere, then the release of CO2 due to fossil fuel burning is completely natural, as natural as termites converting cellulose into methane, CO2 and water vapor. It is absurd to go on saying we should not exploit hydrocarbons as a fuel source when every living creature on planet earth does so. Think about that Emily, your main source of energy is derived from hydro carbons and you give off the same waste gas CO2, with every breath (now deemed a pollutant by our idiot California government). You are no different than a car Emily. A machine that consumes hydrocarbon fuels and releases CO2 as a byproduct. If our merely being here is affecting the rate of change in an atmospheric cycle then we had better first make sure we have the means to adapt to that change. Then we better be damned careful how we expend our scarce resources trying not to have an effect.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 05:55 PM
TheTruthLiesInTheContradictions, I’m curious about the science behind your “free energy” claim. Power radiated from a source such as a cell tower dissipates as the cube of distance from the tower, meaning in laymans’ terms that it falls off really fast. The tiny amounts of power radiated from today’s cell towers already have terrorized the scientifically-challenged with visions of brain-damaged children, etc. Bottom line, how can one reasonably expect any significant amounts of energy to be delivered via radiation? Or do I completely misunderstand your point?
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» on 03.12.10 @ 06:40 PM
You can Google any of it. The truth is out there. YouTube has very meaningful information now that the truth embargo is challenged globally
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» on 03.12.10 @ 06:50 PM
there is great information in YouTube: search Nikola Tesla. Also, the HSitory Channel is making the information available. There are History Channel videos on YouTube. Search the Tesla patents, and the military Black OP projects use it.
New technology information is made available by the international pressure on the US for Disclosure. Now this goes into the ET presence on earth and the reverse engineering of down UFO crafts by the US military: technology such as fiber optics, infrared night vision, this internet and much more, too advanced for our current culture.
Technolgy has advanced exponentially since the Roswell crash. The timing is indisputable.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 07:31 PM
A good place to start is Exopolitics World Net: an international community exploring a new social structure in a galactic environment. This new social structure is a definite threat to our current structure. A new paradigm is here.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 09:03 PM
Truthy (damn dude cut the moniker down and spare us lazy typers), there is no such thing as “free” energy. Tesla was a master at developing AC devices. His tower transmission project would have made transmission of power easy and painless for power generators. What the generators had a problem with is how you charge customers for what they use since at that time there was no way to measure air transmitted power efficiently that the generators had control of. Why on earth would anyone want to generate power (at a cost, Truthy) that anyone with a receiver could get and not have to pay for? The generators had to pay for the fuel to generate the power so they had to have a transmission system where by they controlled the flow, thus Tesla’s AC wire transmission system. There was never any “free” energy system. Most of the incredible electrical spectacles we see today were theorized, developed and made available long before your aliens crashed at Roswell. Your lack of science, history and crackpot adherence to the CT world is thus noted. Take a trank and relax. What did march technology farther and faster than anything else was NASA’s Apollo program. Fiber optics, integrated circuits and data compression techniques to name a few were responsible for the growth of our existing consumer electronics and computer technology sectors and were a result of very bright engineers using principles of Newton, Einstein, Maxwell, Faraday, Henry and yes Tesla all born before the Roswell crash and as far as we know were not space aliens. Hate to pop your CT bubble but the next time a CT asks for money you will understand why they tell you what they do. In the mean time all you big government types ought to look at NASA some time and see how they did Apollo. If you want to spend other peoples money so bad at least do it on something with some sort of credible synergistic benefit to the rest of the economy. That was Apollo and what we have done since is a crime.
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» on 03.12.10 @ 09:55 PM
The less sophisticated are incapable of a healthy dialogue without insults and attacks. Lets demonstrate that we have graduted to a higher level of consciousness. We can really enjoy this dialogue.
I can direct you to sources. But, please spare the CNN sound bites. They are the manufacturers of consent, and you a pawn by your obidience.
NASA is the most secret government agency in the Defense Department. I believe in November 2009 it claims to have discovered water on the moon when it bombed our closest celestial body without the consensus of the rest of the inhabitants on this earth. We are long past a democratic process. There are mad men at the helm.
NASA came 9 months late of the disclosure by India. For all the sophistication that NASA claims, the only picture made available to the American people of our attack on the moon was a blurred black and white photo of the closest celestial body to earth. In contrast to there extremely brilliant colorful nubulas that are thousands of light-years away. The moon is less than 240,000 miles away. Aparently our technology can read a newspaper print from a satellite in space, but NASA is incapable of producing a detail picture of the moon in color. Yes, the moon is not grey.
The Truth Is In The Contradictions.
Other nations, such as India, are exploring space. What is NASA hiding about the moon? It still shrouded in mystery, but not to NASA.
The Pope has also addressed the ET presence. The Vatican owns most of the probes and satellite that monitor our space.
There is a truth embargo.
We can enjoy a dialogue without attacks and insults. The truth should not be a threat. Lets explore it.
On YouTube there is a press release video done at the Press Club in Washington, DC in 2009. Its called the X-Conference. People like former astranaut Edgar Mitchell, Cinton Administrator John Podesta, and many other prominant and credible people are making the plead for Disclosure. I invite you to view it and rebuttle it. Lets keep it healthy.
You can also look up the former Prime Minister of Canada, Paul Hellyer addressing the ET presence, YouTube video.
I’d like to hear your thoughts.
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» on 03.13.10 @ 09:02 AM
TheTruthLiesInTheContradictions, I hope, in your belief that the current world system is broken and will not change, that you don’t vote. Your lack of true scientific knowlege and susceptibility to conspiracy theories is truly terrifying.
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» on 03.13.10 @ 09:57 AM
My thoughts are you know just enough to be fooled by those who know only a little more. Get a damned science book and start reading. When you have the concepts understood pick up a math book and read the language of science and understand the wonderful complexity of nature. Then I might suggest you study logic, this will help you sort out the terrific amount of BS floating around the CT world. Quit looking for things that are not there. As someone who has worked with and for the government at a classified level I can tell you keeping the kinds of things you say are happening behind the scenes a secret is rather problematic (meaning they can’t). I don’t mean to scold. You seem bright but lacking in education or you are a pot smoker and are suffering mild paranoia. Either way, cold hard science will sooth your anxiety. Nothing breaks fear’s back like knowledge. It works for AGW and it works very well on CT. Oh, and stay off the CT sites!
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» on 03.13.10 @ 10:19 AM
Yes, I agree that seeking the truth does require a degree of courage, but for the sake of a healthy dialogue, lets look at the records that are now available via this wonderful network of data. A reliance on the mainstream media will only lead us like sheep.
I referenced a few sources. Attacking the new information doesn’t do either any good. We can start with the public press releases and debunk them. Then we can rationalize why NASA cannot produce any meaningful picture of the moon, but boast of superior technlgy that goes where no man has gone before. Then we’ll explain why the Vatican has enormius investments in space technology, and why this interest doesn’t reconcile well with the religious dogma that is preached.
Lets have fun looking at the records. Let me caution you, only the brave need apply.
Lets enjoy exploring the contradictions. Strength in numbers?
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» on 03.13.10 @ 10:55 AM
Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night
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» on 03.13.10 @ 03:04 PM
AN50, don’t be so angry. Your fear only validates their belief that were not ready for the truth. They suspect that we’re not sophisticated enough for a paradigm shift.
Lets show the Media Brokers we’re ready for a Brave New World.
It can be appreciated that this attempt at dialogue does clearly illustrate how tough the nut is to crack.
Lets walk together into the New Age.
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» on 03.13.10 @ 05:58 PM
To “TheTruthLiesInTheContradictions”:
You mentioned that “The Vatican owns most of the probes and satellite that monitor our space”. I’m curious as to who built these things for the Vatican and where they were launched from and I’m wondering if you might have any insight into those truths??
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» on 03.14.10 @ 12:06 PM
My compliments to AN50 and John Locke. We’ve kept this interest, and consequently this thread going since 8am Friday.
In the event more interest is garnered to keep the dialogue fluid we can continue at visionvine.wordpress.com.
If you enjoyed the spark of interest that stimulated the right hemishere of the brain, continued practice allows more of its participation in viewing reality.
Our culture has focused on left-brain development as AN50 has strongly demostrated. The defining philospohies that structure our reality were noted.
By attempting to reconcile the contrary we’re now inviting the right brain in the dialogue.
Our culture omits this process by spoon feeding the information waiving our ability to reconcile the facts individually. He lies the Truth. We decide. The Truth remains fluid. Not is certain. This is the paradigm in the wake. The Newtonian paradigm has brought us to the forfront of the Uncertainty Priniciple. It came up short at the Quatum.
...the characters are assorted geometric shapes living in an exclusively Two-Dimensional world…the narrator, a middle-aged Square, has a disturbing dream in which he visits a One-Dimensional realm, Lineland, whose inhabitants can move only from point to point.
With mounting frustration he attempts to explain himself-that he is a Line of Lines, from a domain where you can move not only from point to point but also from side to side. The angry Linelanders are about to attack him when he awakens.
Later that same day he attempts to help his grandson, a Little Hexagon, with his studies. The grandson suggests the possibility of a Third Dimension-a realm with up and down as well as side to side. The grandfather Square proclaims this notion foolish and unimaginable.
That very night the Square has an extraordinary, life-changing encounter: a visit from an inhabitant of Spaceland, the realm of Three Dimensions.
At first the Square is merely puzzled by his visitor, a peculiar Circle who seems to change in size, even disappear. The visitor explains that he is a Sphere. He only seemed to change size and disappear because he was moving toward the Square in Space and descending at the same time.
Realizing that argument alone will not convince the Square of the Third Dimension, the exasperated Sphere creates for him an experience of Depth. The Square is badly shaken:
<em>There was a dizzy, sickening sensation of sight that was not like seeing; I saw a Line that was no Line; Space that was not Space. I was myself and not myself. When I could find voice, I shrieked aloud in agony, “Either this is madness or it is Hell.”
“It is neither,” calmly replied the voice of the Sphere. “It is Knowledge; it is Three Dimensions. Open your eyes once again and try to look steadily.
Having had an insight into another dimension, the Square becomes an evangelist, attempting to convince his fellow Flatlanders that Space is more than just a wild notion of mathematicians. Because of his insistence he is finally imprisoned, for the public good. Every year thereafter the high priest of Flatland, the Chief Circle, checks with him to see if he has regained his senses, but the stubborn Square continues to insist that there is a Third Dimension. He cannot forget it, he cannot explain it.
from the Victorian fantasy Flatland, as quoted in the Aquarian Conspiracy
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» on 03.14.10 @ 01:33 PM
That’s all well and good, but who built the Vatican’s satellites and where were they launched from?
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» on 03.14.10 @ 03:37 PM
I just read the first 1/3 of the comments from “TheTruthLiesInTheContradictions” and skimmed through the balance.
As poetry it could be said to have some value. There were lyrical phrases. There were alliterations. There were images that generated a common personal response of “What was he/she saying there???”
But as dialogue, we all need a starting point, some influential observations and some kind of conclusion/s.
Sadly, all three (starting point, influential observations and any conclusion) were completely lacking from “TheTruthLiesInTheContradictions.”
May I suggest enrolling in a course in logical discourse and the admirable creed “brevity is the soul of wit” (a Rush Limbaugh quote, I believe).
I have no doubt that American Idol’s judge Simon Cowell would be forced to judge you “out of the competition” based on that submission.
Keep writing but to “TheTruthLiesInTheContradictions”, I ask you: hone thy pen.
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» on 03.14.10 @ 04:53 PM
“one pill makes you larger; the other makes you small…”
The postings of TheTruthLiesInTheContradictions remind me strongly of the acid-trip ramblings of some of my college colleagues in the late 60’s. There might be some intelligence in there, but it’s buried in lots of woo-woo trippy stuff.
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» on 03.14.10 @ 05:57 PM
Fantastic.
Mark King, thanks for adding to the thread. John Locke, your continued support is appreciated. Can we hear back from A50?
You all made very impressive observations and pointed out obvious inconsitencies.
Perhap we can now construct a framework, identify the parameters, explore and most of all, find pleasure in a fruitful dialogue.
A reminder, lets try to exercise civility and not be hasteful in the insults. You’ve all demonstrated that you know everything.
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» on 03.14.10 @ 06:04 PM
...and John Locke, about the Vatican. Do the search yourself. The experience will be invigorating. Trust your intuition on what you find out. It literally is opening Pandora’s box. Start with a google search: VATT. From there, the journey, only you will be able to try to explain, but you’ll quickly find out that langauage has it limits and your personal experience will be difficult to describe.
But, there is a community that will understand.
Find the courage. Lets get there.
Mark, yes, it has been a challenge to present this topic as it morphed out of this article. Hey, but we’re here now.
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» on 03.14.10 @ 09:12 PM
I’m happy to anounce that a very tall order has come in. Regrettably, too ambitous to accomplish in this medium and the limitations are too obvious to note.
Mr King suggest that the discourse start from a clearly stated starting point, then move to entertain some influential observations, and finally to a conclusion.
Mr Locke senses that there might be some intelligence, but that its buried in lots of woo-woo trippy stuff.
And AN50 feels strongly that we have not based the arguemnt on some basic fundamentals in physical science, the mysteries of nature and prefers that it fit more in a logical model.
These are all very noble requests, but there are many shortcomings posed by this medium. I might as well write a thesis, but who would want to read it? And this is not the place.
Let me remind you that this has morphed from a thread as a response to an article written by a very bright young lady.
And it is a challenge to stay the course in the blitkrieg of attacks and insults.
I would like to note that there is a similarity in the responses and I’d like to suggest that we challenge ourselves to explore more decent means to communicate.
The reccurring response pattern professes your supremecy then its followed by an attack. This response effectively kills any attempt at a dialogue. However, this is what we got to work with, and very much appreciated.
Because this is a dialogue, we would expect it to have fluidity, venture off to areas at the ends of the topic parameters, and there are no wrong answers.
Now, a framework…
Perhaps we can start from defining our existing paradigm. It is Newtonian based, space and time define our existense, and its linear. And other principles, too. Please feel free to add.
From this construct, or matrix, everything in our current paradigm is defined, from the manner that we approach medicine, to our capitalist institution…your thoughts?
Everything in the universe is assumed to be measurable to an amount certain. We have constructed an existence defined by certainty. If it can’t be measured it doesn’t exist.
Ladies and Gentlemen the floor is open…
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» on 03.15.10 @ 08:36 AM
Sorry Truthy I’m not with the other more gentlemanly types. I’ve seen plenty like you, very bright but no clue. Your brain is starved for information but rejects it if it does not come easy or fit preconceived notions, you are very much like religious ideologs and zealots or liberals. Get a clue first. You were asked a question and after several pages of writing failed to answer it = “I don’t have a clue or my answer is so bazaar I don’t even believe it.” In the absence of a demonstrated grasp of factual knowledge you are now written off as a lunatic. Local, Emptysuit, Ron, Timmy, some of you other liberals out there tell me your still alive and rescue us from this weirdo, please (ok, ok I know some of you say the same about me but that’s different).
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» on 03.15.10 @ 08:39 AM
TheTruthLiesInTheContradictions, Googling VATT indicates only that the Vatican has an observatory, as does Westmont College, nothing about any satellites. And a Google of “Vatican satellites” indicates that Vatican broadcasts use satellites, as do virtually all broadcasts other than strictly local stations. So I’ve done the searches as you requested and found no evidence to support your claim that “The Vatican owns most of the probes and satellite that monitor our space”. Please enlighten me.
I’ve also run several Googles on Nikola Tesla, who according to you “discovered free energy more than 100 years ago. It can be distributed like your wireless connection from a tower” but can find no evidence to support that claim either. And, BTW if one did try to distribute power through the air containing sufficient energy to power even one home, the level of radation at the tower would fry birds and small children. This according to the basics of electromagnetic radiation.
Where do you get this stuff?
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» on 03.15.10 @ 10:38 AM
AN50, glad you decided to participate, and about the insults, well, this is what we have to work with. I do appreciate your honesty that you, too, are misunderstood far too often.
You Newtonian types are far too programmed to see the trees amongst the forest.
With all due respect to John Locke’s interest in the Vatican shinangans, we’ll take this first. We’ll need to establish corporate relationships, data sharing, and consider the Disclosure campaign that is underway through out the world. This will require use of your right-brain. Understand that for most of you, the right hemisphere could be very atrophied since you’ve been accostomed to having your answer right in front of you. The Powers understand this all too well.
John has looked up the VATT and now believes that the Vatican owns one observatory. Good work John. John didn’t mention that the Vatican has a corporation, The Vatican Observatory Research Group. This research Group now operates more than one observatory. This research group is affilaited with other research centers.
Please make a contribution as to what else we discover.
John, did you get a chance to view the press release at the National Press Club in DC? Or did you view the Paul Hellyer presentation?
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» on 03.15.10 @ 11:46 AM
“Truth”, you seem to ignore the fact that the sources you quoted did nothing to prove your allegations - neither about the Vatican nor about Tesla.
Anyone besides me thinking this guy is either putting us on or is seriously under the influence of pharmaceuticals, whether legal or not?
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» on 03.15.10 @ 12:04 PM
John,
your skeptism is appreciated and speaks loudly on behalf of most Americans that believe what is in print, and delivered to your fingertips.
To get to the Truth is a process, and without the process you will be left to the Mercy of Main Stream media. Please don’t expect the Vatican to post a neon-sign that advertises their business.
One search hardly discredits the source.
I’ve heard so much talk of naivety.
Your need for instant gratifications speaks volumes. Lets break from the mold and do the research like responsible people we claim to be.
I know of the safety of sitting behind a wall and throwing stones.
It was made clear from the start that it would take courage.
Now you have the power to decide for yourself. Do you trust your intuition? Are you afraid of what’s really out there?
Some encouragement people!
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» on 03.15.10 @ 12:15 PM
TheTruthLiesInTheContradictions, you seem to miss the point that investigation of sources that YOU provided as support for your claims fail to prove or even mention your allegations. So for you now to back away from those sources serves only to destroy what credibilty you may have had (with someone, not with me).
Buh-Bye, now. Enjoy your world, whatever world that may be…
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» on 03.15.10 @ 01:19 PM
John, thanks for your intial interest. I hope you had enjoyment in the dialogue. Hopefully it was much more interesting than the normal feedback you’r accostomed to.
Please, be sure to check and see if you have any right-side of the brain left. The diagnosis is acute. There are signs that the connection from left to right have been completely severed.
Lucky for you with practice you can get it back.
It seems that we weren’t clear on the objectives of the inquiries.
Was John trying to establish that the Vatican has title of ownership of particular probes or satellites like one would a pink slip for an automobile?
Did John believe that the internet would have the specs for building a free energy tower?
This type of information if it was readily available would tumble the current power structures.
If you invent it and try to sell it, you disappear.
If UFO’s exist, could free energy exist?
If we are not alone in this universe, what is the social structure in our galaxy? Have we evolved to be included, or are we too uncivilized to join the community?
The monopoly on technology has been for military use, only. Imagine the results once the rest of humanity can dabble with it.
And yes AN50, earlier you mentioned a list of physicist. Who do you think worked on the reverse engineering projects?
Expect a humongous leap. Our current civilization will appear like the cavemen do to us today.
Happy Hunting!
Below is the YouTube link to the Paul Hellyer presentation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhElE3JILAE
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» on 03.15.10 @ 01:37 PM
So let me get this straight, Truth. Having quoted sources that do not demonstrate what you said they would, you now admit that there is no proof for anything you say, yet you expect otherwise logical and rational people to believe you?
You are one seriously disturbed individual and badly in need of help. Do yourself a favor and get it.
We control the vertical. We control the horizontal. You have now entered The Outer Limits. Be afraid. Be very afraid. The all-powerful government military is at this very moment tracing you through Noozhawk’s website and pyramidic crystals and will shortly be at your door to take you away…
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» on 03.15.10 @ 03:26 PM
It is worth noting that the conclusion to this thread paralles the 1884 satirical novella, Flatland:
“Having had an insight into another dimension, the Square becomes an evangelist, attempting to convince his fellow Flatlanders that Space is more than just a wild notion of mathematicians. Because of his insistence he is finally imprisoned, for the public good. Every year thereafter the high priest of Flatland, the Chief Circle, checks with him to see if he has regained his senses, but the stubborn Square continues to insist that there is a Third Dimension. He cannot forget it, he cannot explain it.”
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» on 03.15.10 @ 04:44 PM
yep, fiction is fiction, as in a novella, while truth is truth. And verifiable. You should learn the difference. Good night and good luck.
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» on 03.16.10 @ 07:36 AM
Back to the original subject would be healthy. I believe that global climate change is real and is caused by human activity. I want to move on to the solution phase but some do not. I also agree with AN50 that we should take measures to adapt to our changing environment. That said, we can work on two things at once: global climate change and energy independence. We are the greatest country in the world and if we put our resources, our system, our most educated and our business minds together we can accomplish a considable amount. Focusing on energy independence might be the way to go since it is less controversial with everyone. If achieved, we can positively influence our international policy, our economy, terriorist threats while increasing jobs, improving our trade imbalance and reducing our debt. Sounds like a win-win for everyone. I believe and a combined strategy using our public and private sector will make this happen.
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» on 03.16.10 @ 09:16 AM
Jeeze I never thought having a liberal respond would be so gratifying! Thanks, Local. To answer your response, I don’t want people to think that because I come down hard on the AGW religion that I don’t believe in human contribution. I do. I just don’t see the evidence to support it being a major cause of warming nor do I believe any evidence has been produced so far to support we can do anything to stop GW. So yes I put a much higher priority on adaptation. As for energy independence I am with you. But I temper my enthusiasm for our ability to do things with reality. The reality is for us to produce “clean energy” in an abundance that does not cripple our way of life we need to burn dirty fuels first and a lot of them. Local, I am not being facetious here. Our abundant NG and coal are essentially gold to our economy. Without exploiting these two resources we will never produce the wealth and capital needed to either sustain us or produce the next energy paradigm, whether nuclear, geothermal or any of the other green supplies.
That means we have got to shake the damned GW science community away from the damned global socialists and have them start thinking like scientist again instead of social engineers trying to retool human behavior. That ain’t gonna work and yes it has been tried and failed by every civilization known to man. So the answer is leave the damned climate alone it will do what it is going to do and you cannot stop it and your affect will be inconsequential. Figure out how to adapt (we are very good at that as a species), next drill baby drill, dig baby dig and burn those fossil fuels like there ain’t no tomorrow. This will bring much needed relief from our imposing trade deficit. If we can earn enough capital we can exploit other sources as well and strive not just for independence but as a net supplier. Now we are making real money, money that can pay for less viable but cleaner sources like geothermal, solar PV and nuclear. In the time the IPCC was to mandate a reduction of CO2 to 1994 levels we will have made enough money to tool up the next paradigm in energy supply and distribution. Yes , Local we will have dumped a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere but nowhere near what has been the historical norm for CO2. Yes we will grow warmer and sea levels will rise and the climate will be different and if we are really lucky we might even prolong the warming period so we avoid turning Canada, Russia and northern Europe into an ice shield. Hell they may even become the world’s bread basket, how about that for a positive spin on GW? Point is we need to stop this infantile whining about “dirty man” fouling the earth up and start working our survival and progress. Going back to the Stone Age is not an option.
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» on 03.16.10 @ 12:14 PM
I thought that this was an interesting insight into the pyscholgy of the green movement:
How going green may make you mean:
Ethical consumers less likely to be kind and more likely to steal, study finds
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/15/green-consumers-more-likely-steal
Do Green Products Make Us Better People is published in the latest edition of the journal Psychological Science. Its authors, Canadian psychologists Nina Mazar and Chen-Bo Zhong, argue that people who wear what they call the “halo of green consumerism” are less likely to be kind to others, and more likely to cheat and steal. “Virtuous acts can license subsequent asocial and unethical behaviours,” they write.
The pair found that those in their study who bought green products appeared less willing to share with others a set amount of money than those who bought conventional products. When the green consumers were given the chance to boost their money by cheating on a computer game and then given the opportunity to lie about it – in other words, steal – they did, while the conventional consumers did not. Later, in an honour system in which participants were asked to take money from an envelope to pay themselves their spoils, the greens were six times more likely to steal than the conventionals.
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» on 03.16.10 @ 02:42 PM
To “AN50’s” last remarks to “local” I have only one word to add:
AMEN
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» on 03.16.10 @ 05:22 PM
AN50, we agree on some things and not on others. Where we agree is that will have to adapt. Where we disagree is that I believe there is overwhelming scientific evidence that global climate change is real and so do the vast majority of experts in the field. Yes, there were a few bad apples that fudged the data but I have seen mountains of data that support without a doubt the reality of human caused climate change. You acknowledge massive amounts of CO2 have been released in the atmosphere but unfortunately you then lower yourself to Reagan’s level and compare it to volcanic activity or other natural causes in the past. There is not enough time or space here to enlighten you regarding the difference between the two. You and folks like Senator Imoffe disagree and should build and igloo together in his backyard.
We agree that we should look to become energy independent for a variety of reasons. We disagree on how to get there. I do not agree that drill baby drill is part of the answer and unlike you I believe we can get there without it. You and Sarah Palin are on the same sheet of music there. I believe that a combination of alternative technologies, natural gas, nuclear power, solar power, wind power with increased efficiencies such as gas mileage and insulation is the answer. The scientic breakthroughs are coming at a very rapid rate and if encouraged through investment and the public section will materialize rapidly. Unfortunately, we lost many many years debating global warming and suffering through no energy plan with the Bush Administration.
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» on 03.16.10 @ 06:44 PM
Allow me to introduce a comment. “local”, while I’ll allow that you have seen “massive amounts” of data supporting the theory of climate change (what is “massive” after all), I will ask that you allow me the observation that a substantial and growing number of scientists are now questioning whether climate change is manmade. But I also believe that debating whether climate change is man made is a complete waste of time and energy. I believe we should focus on energy conservation, pollution control, preservation of the rain forests, and, most important of all, population control, all of which will help mitigate climate change, if it is real, but are beneficial even if climate change is not real. Let’s focus on actions of clear benefit; forget the academic, and questionable, conceptual arguments.
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» on 03.16.10 @ 08:47 PM
There you go again, John Locke. I got news for you the world is not flat, evolution is real and so is human caused climate change. If you want to call it conceptual or actually believe that the growing number of scientist are doubting climate change that is fine. That is not true. I just hope you understand where the so-called doubting scientist come from and by what entities they get paid to draw those conclusions. Try Exxon or the Heritage Foundation for a start. I side with the findings of top scientist from Scripps, NOAA, NASA, the Army Corp of Engineers, Woods Hole, Cal Tech, UC Berkely, Stanford, UCLA,Moss Landing and the EPA just to name a few. Enough said, scientific history is filled with these type of situations where it takes more time for others to come along. For example, many believed that the earth was the center of the solar system decades after there was more than enough proof. So now that we agree to disagree, lets move onto energy independence.
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» on 03.17.10 @ 07:51 AM
Let’s not forget that brave interview Robert F. Kennedy Jr. had with Nathan Thurm.
The two thousand top scientists from 100 nations around the world, have now declared the international concensus that global warming exists, that we are causing it,and that the impacts are going to be catastrophic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLBQxk72NY&feature=player_embedded
…The east Antarctic ice sheet, and the Greenland ice sheet may break off…if that happens Manhattan Island would be under 12 feet of water.
…listen…I like Manhatten…but it’s filthy. It’s a filthy City, I don’t think you can deny that. There’s a rat problem. The theater scene in Manhatten is far from superb. Musicals? Most men don’t like musicals…”
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» on 03.17.10 @ 09:09 AM
Hey local:
There might be a problem with that NASA data you’re touting.
Climategate Stunner: NASA Heads Knew NASA Data Was Poor, Then Used Data from CRU
“...There are only four climate datasets available. All global warming study, such as the reports from the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), must be based on these four.
They are: the NASA GISS dataset, the NCDC GHCN dataset, the CRU dataset, and the Japan Meteorological Agency dataset.
Following Climategate, when it became known that raw temperature data for CRU’s “HADCRU3″ climate dataset had been destroyed, Phil Jones, CRU’s former director, said the data loss was not important — because there were other independent climate datasets available.
But the emails reveal that at least three of the four datasets were not independent, that NASA GISS was not considered to be accurate, and that these quality issues were known to both top climate scientists and to the mainstream press.
Dowloadable PDF of the e-mails are here:
http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2010/03/GISS-says-CRU-Better0001.pdf
“...Two implications of these emails: The data to which Phil Jones referred to as “independent” was not — it was being “corrected” and reused among various climate science groups, and the independence of the results was no longer assured; and the NASA GISS data was of lower quality than Jones’ embattled CRU data.”
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» on 03.17.10 @ 10:04 AM
...And if I’m not mistaken, didn’t Phil Jones himself admit that There has been no global warming since 1995
“...Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.
And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.”
Which is interesting because didn’t Peter the sixth grader arrive at a similar conclusion?
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» on 03.17.10 @ 12:01 PM
But we can all do our part just by doing the little things. Like replacing your antiquated incandescent light bulbs with new Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) bulbs.
Why spew all of that unnecessary carbon dioxide into the atmosphere? Compact Fluorescents (CFL’s) provide more light with less power. They typically require less than one-third the energy to produce the same amount of light, as common incandescent bulbs.
But far more importantly, CFLs are loaded with deadly mercury, one of the most toxic elements on Earth. In fact, all CFL bulbs contain – at least – four to five milligrams of mercury, about 200 times the amount of mercury in a flu vaccine shot. There is enough mercury in each CFL bulb to contaminate 6,000 gallons of clean water.
Want proof? Ask your dentist about the Haz/Mat teams that come into their offices to remove their old collection of dental amalgams, which dentists keep in little lead lined boxes. You see there are precious few toxic dump sites in the world equipped to handle mercury, the most dangerous element in the world, after radio-active materials.
Already there are hundreds of millions of disposed CFL bulbs that have contaminated personal garbage cans, fleets of garbage trucks (spreading their toxicity near and far), and garbage disposal sites, that are doing irreparable damage to our ground water, except when such garbage is burnt; then, mercury is released into the very air we all breathe.
So please everybody, do your part to eliminate carbon dioxide.
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» on 03.17.10 @ 03:34 PM
Local, I appreciate what your saying but I don’t pick fossil fuel consumption for energy because I want to. I would much prefer your nimrod, lunatic, anti nuke nuts had not put us way behind the damned French in nuke energy production, so that we would have maybe 80% of our base load electrical production on nukes rather than fossils, but I didn’t kill the nukes, you folks did and still want to!!! That would have put a huge relief on our foreign imports of oil and helped us preserve our fossil supplies for using as carbon feedstock into the chemical and plastic industries. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, you guys blew that one! No we need to drill and dig and burn fossil fuels because WE ARE FRIGGEN BROKE!!!!! And we are broke because of a lot of other things too but mostly because we spend more than we earn and we can’t earn because, yes Local, it’s your damned side again who have made earning wealth in this country a freaking taboo. And no I’m not talking about personal wealth or your favorite, Keynesian wealth (speculative), but real wealth like extraction of natural resources, manufacturing and agriculture. We can’t afford your damned useless over priced green tech energy crap because we have NO MONEY. That’s why we now have to deplete our carbon stocks, Local, and dump CO2, because liberal policies which kill wealth generation and promote dependency have rendered us impotent.
Look, in all fairness my liberal friend, the right is no better in its management of our future. Shortsightedness, selfishness, lack of leadership vision and too fierce a streak of go-it-alone have crippled the right as much as the left has blown off both feet with smothering good intentions. But clearly we need to look past all that crap and pick what works and damned quick because the clock is ticking and we are running out of time and I don’t mean with climate change my friend. If we don’t get our selves out of this self loathing nanny state minded bipolarization and fix the underpinning of our battered economy we won’t be around to witness any climate change. First things first Local. When we are making wealth again we can try more of your stuff again but maybe we do it like Europe and not shoot our foot off in the process, eh? Just like old grandpa used to say “you can have it when you earn enough to pay for it”, works for AGW and your healthcare too!
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» on 03.17.10 @ 06:05 PM
Local, I tried to point out that we can agree to work on the same energy/pollution/conservation issues without having to agree on whether climate change was real or not. Your response was to insult me and my intelligence with the same old lefty rhetoric. You are a PERFECT example of why so much of today’s debate is incredibly polarized and polarizing. Instead of focussing on areas of agreement, you focus on the disagreement, which actually has nothing to do with solving the problem. You should be in the CA Legislature, or maybe the U.S. congress. They all behave in the same obstructionist way. Your ‘agree to disagree’ disclaimer at the end of your post does not make up for your earlier tripe.
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» on 03.18.10 @ 04:26 PM
Interesting to note that the prior paradigm shift has been called to attention a few times in this thread: Copernicus – credited for the prior paradigm shift, from us being the center of the universe to being participants in it.
Here neither camp can convince the other that their authoritative source is supreme. Both camps are suspect of each other.
The Left doesn’t have confidence in sources, such as the Heritage Foundation, and rightfully so. They are highly politicized and their agenda is suspect.
The Right is steadfast behind their source. Their discipline is unwavering in refusal to consider any other source outside their set of authoritative bodies.
Conventionally, it is accepted that NASA is not politicized. Perhaps, more so than the Heritage Foundation. They’re just much better at keeping it secret.
The most significant endeavor of our human history, walking on the moon, this historic footage has been lost. And no one seems to see the significance of this omission. There is now compelling testimony and evidence that recorded on that film was ancient lunar ruins.
The Climategate stunner is of particular interest. NASA reports that NASA data was poor, so they used CRU data instead. Here the public was not afforded the opportunity to determine for themselves the validity of the poor findings.
Then, the data from HADCRU3 climate dataset had been destroyed, and again it was determined that the data loss was not important.
It seems that NASA has been added, again.
Could NASA be hiding the fact that the 10th Planet is approaching our solar system and causing global warming. Notable changes in the atmosphere of Neptune and Uranus have been reported, and the ice caps of the Martian planet are also melting.
There’s an alternate plan for survival and you’re not included.
Planet X and the Mysterious Death of Dr. Robert Harrington
YOWUSA.COM, 22-May-2008
John DiNardo
Janice Manning
Dr. Robert S. Harrington, the chief astronomer of the U.S. Naval Observatory, died before he could publicize the fact that Planet X is approaching our Solar System.
Many feel his death part of a cove-up? One in which government agencies quickly moved to conceal the most earth-shaking discovery in history. If so, the search for truth begins in New Zealand.
In 1991, Dr. Robert S. Harrington, the chief astronomer of the U.S. Naval Observatory, took a puny 8-inch telescope to Black Birch, New Zealand, one of the few viewing points on Earth optimal for sighting Planet X, which he definitively calculated to be approaching from below the ecliptic at an angle of 40 degrees.
Also known as Nibiru in the Summerian texts.
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