Jordan Takes Lead Role in Stand Against Carpinteria Slant-Drilling Operation

» johnclarke on 03.08.10 @ 07:49 AM

The NIMBYS are at it once again. It does not matter if it is an oil facility, a foot bridge replacing a dangerous old bridge over a local creek, widening a freeway overpass..etc. ANY change is bad for them.  It is hard to imagine a more reasonable project. What a great compromise.  Instead of drilling in the middle of the ocean, lets slant drill for it on land in the middle of an existing industrial complex, a long ways from homes, surrounded by 150 foot tall eucalyptus trees. We have oil, everyone of these NIMBYS drive cars and wear rubber soled shoes and they NEED oil for their daily lives. 
** If you are concerned with the specifics of the proposal, then lets have the city council take a leadership and visionary role to craft something that is real powerful, positively focused and can make something great out of this proposal for the community.

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» Coastal Local on 03.08.10 @ 09:03 AM

John and John,
You took the words right out of what I wanted to write!  That footbridge is beautiful.  Where was their concern for the condos and mobile homes while fighting a third lane.  Driving to work this morning, stop and go traffic again spewing the exhaust that direction.  We are all downwind from the biggest polluter to our air and beaches…...natural seep pollution.  Beautiful bumper stickers they have, though…...on the back of their gas powered automobiles!

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» Overtaxed Taxpayer on 03.08.10 @ 10:40 AM

Jordan is a union puppet and she is Padro’s wife—Now she thinks she is entitled to the high paying government.

Tax and spend nut—Bad for you and I

No thank you—Go Mike stoker—

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» Daniel Petry on 03.08.10 @ 12:12 PM

AN50 - “It used to be that people were very connected to the means that supported them. Not anymore.” you are right on target.  These people remind me of the Eloi of H.G. Wells story.  Clueless, living off the work of the out of sight Morlocks.  Letting the hard work and knowledge of centruies go to dust.  A pampered, spoiled, ignorant species.  Only in this case Jordon is not being bred for food.  Instead, Carpinteria loses out from resource development.  But you listen to the same people as gas goes past $5 per gallon.

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» Bob on 03.08.10 @ 02:19 PM

To Charlene:  As “obfuscate” means “to confuse”, I hope I didn’t confuse anybody by simply assembling a senario based on a stated set of facts, including sources.
As to your assertion of $200,000,000 (in oil and gas royalties), now that’s obfuscation.  Even Venoco hedges on that claim, qualifying it by adding “up to”.  The fact is that nobody knows exactly how much oil is out there and all Venoco or anyone else can do is to create models based on a set of assumptions.  Venoco has created three different models based on three different sets of assumptions.  Their estimates of local royalties, to be divided between the City of Carpinteria and the County of Santa Barbara range from $14,000,000 to $200,000,000.  What’s the difference?  According to Venoco there’s a 90% probability of $14 mil in royalty payments, but only a 10% probability of $200 mil.  So to assert that $200 mil in royalty payments will be realized is more wishful thinking that fact.  In reality we’re talking about carving up a pie that hasn’t even been mixed and baked.  If insufficient amounts of oil and gas are found, there will be no pie. 
I know my position is in the minority here, but will some of you please take this discussion beyond tea party talking points and stereotyping.

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» local on 03.08.10 @ 03:24 PM

Bob, I am with you 100%. You have the same cast of characters such as Petry and AN50 taking a position that when anyone disagrees with them they must not even have a brain or work for a living. Petry is particularly out of line because he critizes the government and their employees when he worked for them and enjoys their benefits.  AN50, always has the same rant about society and working hard and that everyone who disagrees with him is socialist or some lazy homeless person.  Remember, you are dealing with folks that think global climate change is a hoax and believe we have the best health insurance system and medical deliver in the world. I hope that puts things into the proper perspective. Maybe they would allow Veneco to drill in their backyard if they are so concerned about it?

The fact is that Venoco does not want to play by the same rules and oversight that every other corporation or individual has to adhere to. They are trying to shift jurisdiction to an entity that is not capable of assessing the risk or hazard or impact. They are trying to gain a favorable decision by enticing all with revenues predictions that are blown out way out of proportion.

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» AN50 on 03.08.10 @ 03:55 PM

Ok, Bob, why are you looking a gift horse in the mouth then? How about, you use the damned stuff, so therefore show a little reasonableness in its extraction. BTW – saying no all the time, as residents of the south coast have become accustom to, is not a solution. It’s just being too damned aloof to care how things get done as long as it’s nowhere near me.
People we are $50 trillion in the hole right now and we are not going to climb out of that hole in Birkenstocks. No, Pickens is wrong, wind mills will not pull us out either nor will any of the other odd ball expensive cost-more-to-produce-than-it’s-worth green energy schemes being introduced today. We need desperately to extract and produce our own energy, natural resources and make our own stuff. Dammit if people don’t start waking up to that simple reality and PDQ then there are going to be a lot of starving, shivering, out-in- the-cold babyboomers in about 20 years (yep when your old and really helpless, got it?). And long before that we are going to see a rapid deterioration in our standard of living. You libs out there and your old fart NIMBY neighbors better get a grip. Your computer will not run without oil, nor will Google’s server farm. Your food will not grow without oil unless you grow your own and as a Midas touch green thumb myself I can tell you, most of you are not skilled enough to grow your own food let alone the weeds in your yard (not that any of you who are not idle wealthy have that kind of time anyway).
So spare me the drama and trauma over this ridicules display of absolute ignorance and get a freaking clue. We need that oil to survive, let alone help pay down that horrible debt we have accumulated over the last 40 years. Is that clear enough Bob or is it just more ranting from the Tea Party mob? BTW - your mother is a tea party member so watch out how you refer to that group. I get tired of the only “real” grassroots movement being besmirched by the phony “paid grassroots” people on the left.

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» AN50 on 03.08.10 @ 04:07 PM

Local, thanks for affirming my last rant. Without you I would not have a concrete example of how badly out of touch people are with reality. Global warming is real, anthropogenic relationship is what we doubt. Health care is the best here, if you can afford it. It sucks everywhere else, unless you are rich and we cannot afford what you want, like it or not. And yes I would give my eye teeth to have Venoco drill in my back yard because I’d be stinking rich and you would not, idiot. Dan, Charlene and I believe in the old pay-as-you-go method, Local, not the “kick all that dirty industry out of here and I’ll borrow the money for my lifestyle from the Chinese” method you and your liberal friends seem to think works so well. But I tire of your consistent lack of connection to reality. You will learn the truth and in a very painful way to you and your family. Starvation and exposure have a way of focusing your attention to what is real and what you think is real like nothing else. GET A CLUE!

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» local on 03.08.10 @ 06:21 PM

To Petry, I am glad that you “served”. Good for you. It is a volunteer army and as far back as I was elgible I did not agree with our war policies. I think invading Iraq and the Vietnam War were wrong. They were both justified through fabricated evidence. I admire that you “served” but it does not make you better than others. The folks that fought in WW2, a justified war, now there is a different story. Now you say you never used your benefits: no help with college or taxes or the VA or ?? You may want to double check that statement. Better not take those military retirement benefits, after all that is government.

I not only donate more than 10% of my income to charities, I spend a many hours a week volunteering my time. I think contributing time and effort is more important than money.

We agree to disagree on almost every subject. That is fine. When I was much younger,I had much more conservative capitalist leanings such as yourself and AN50. I have learned that when you allow many people to operate in an unrestricted free market, unfortunately, they take advantage of it. The greed factor conquers what is the right thing to do. This is the case with Venoco. If they were sincere about doing the right thing, they would play by the rules. This is no different than what happened with the meltdown on wall street. Some do not want to play by the rules, because there is more money in pushing the envelope, risk taking ,bending or breaking the rules than playing it straight up.

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» Daniel Petry on 03.08.10 @ 06:36 PM

I’ll say it again - Ad hominem.  No problem.  The fact still remains.  We do not have the money needed to run what is even currently on the board let alone the lovely programs planned.  Daniel Petry

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