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Sharon Byrne: It’s Time to Ban Marijuana Dispensaries
On Tuesday, the Santa Barbara City Council will consider adopting what is now termed Phase I changes to the city’s Medical Cannabis Dispensary Ordinance. Adopting the ordinance would establish a cap of seven dispensaries and reopen the permit process. The same day, the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors will consider extending the county’s moratorium on dispensaries while the board gathers information on regulating dispensaries.

Dispensaries are an entrepreneurial invention arising out of a hole in California law on how medical marijuana is distributed. The Compassionate Use Act permits qualified patients to possess and use marijuana under a doctor’s care. No solid mechanisms for distribution to patients are provided by the state, thus dispensaries have sprung up. Cities and counties have tried to deal with this, one at a time, as dispensaries opened in their jurisdictions. Many have opted to ban dispensaries, given the absence of state regulation and fears of increasing crime.
As a community, we need to wise up and join these municipalities because our own experiment with permitting dispensaries has been an abject failure. It has only led to a proliferation of unregulated dispensaries accompanied by serious trafficking crimes in our area. No one would have willingly signed up for this outcome.
How many dispensaries do we have? The city of Santa Barbara has permitted three. The county hasn’t issued any permits.
But since dispensaries mostly don’t bother getting permits, the number of permits doesn’t reflect how many there actually are. To find out, I went on weedmaps.com, where you can “Find Your Bud,” and made a few telephone calls to area dispensaries. There are currently, at a minimum, 17 dispensaries in the Santa Barbara area.
Santa Barbara
Permitted:
Green Light (opening soon)
The GreenWell
Pacific Coast Collective
Without permit:
AMG / Healing Gardens
Compassion Collective of Santa Barbara
420sb.com (online)
The Healing Center
Hortipharm Caregiver
Sacred Mountain Medicine
Santa Barbara Patients Group
Wonderful Life Grassroots Apothecary (online, mobile)
Goleta
Choice Cooperative Goleta
Grass Roots Research
Helping Hands Wellness Center
Santa Barbara Care Center
Summerland
The Green Room
Miramar Collective
Two illegal dispensaries have been closed by police recently and thus do not appear on this list.
There are several applicants waiting out the moratorium to open new dispensaries, which would boost the total north of 20 dispensaries. In comparison, there are 11 Starbucks in the same geographic area.
Can there really be more sick patients using an alternative, unregulated pain reliever than there are coffee drinkers? Santa Barbara just ranked No. 6 on a nationwide survey of cities for well-being, which seems utterly incongruent with an illness rate that requires 17 medical marijuana dispensaries.
One city-permitted dispensary, touting the nonprofit label, solicited investment from local businesses nearby, promising to double their money within a year. What true non-profit can promise this rate of return? Dispensary operators from other cities are opening here, and one local hopeful last owned a downtown bar. The Green Well dispensary hands out fliers in area nightclubs. Dispensaries run ads in the Santa Barbara Independent offering specials and promotions to bring in friends. Dispensaries may indeed help out a few patients, but their main business is sales for recreational use, and it’s time we were honest about that fact, because that is illegal.
Dispensary operators, facing vocal neighborhood opposition, contend that they reduce crime, and decrease the black market. City council members, seeking to verify this claim, have asked police representatives if there has been an increase in crime as measured in calls for service to dispensaries.
Unfortunately, the question is too narrow. Given that Ventura and San Luis Obispo counties have bans on dispensaries, the real question is this:
As the only city and county on the Central Coast that allows dispensaries, have we attracted criminal elements associated with marijuana, such as traffickers and cartel operators, to our area?
Intuitively, any locality allowing a business to sell marijuana out of a storefront, even under the banner of medical marijuana, would automatically attract all the criminal elements associated with it. Think of what would happen if there were such a thing as medical heroin, and we were the only city to allow it. Every illegal heroin trafficker would gravitate here. That’s exactly what’s happened with marijuana. We have created a pot depot, and the traffickers have come.
With their arrival comes marijuana-related crimes, and the scale is astonishing. Forget the police going after people smoking on the street, or growing a few plants. Brute prioritization has dictated that law enforcement ignore small-scale recreational users as they are consumed with major drug dealing, trafficking and firearms related to marijuana. Take a look at what’s happened just in the last year in the Santa Barbara area:
» In April, campers stumbled upon a marijuana site that contained 13,000 plants worth $26.6 million in Aliso Park near New Cuyama. Two men guarding the plants threatened the hikers and ordered them to wait for a “boss.” The hikers fled, but on the drive out of the backcountry were chased by two men in a truck.
» An armed extortion occurred at a marijuana dispensary where two owners allegedly held the third at knifepoint.
» In July, the Sheriff’s Department discovered a $75 million illegal cultivation site of 25,000 plants north of East Camino Cielo.
» In August, the 88,000-acre La Brea Fire was started by a campfire at an illegal marijuana operation in Los Padres National Forest. More than 30,000 plants were found near the blaze’s origin and a Mexican drug cartel is believed to be involved.
» A marijuana dealer operating from a trailer on Cacique Street was shut down. He claimed to be a dispensary.
» A multiagency law-enforcement team executed Operation Apehanger, an enormous raid on an alleged illegal firearms and drug-trafficking operation that resulted in 11 arrests. One residence in which firearms were found was directly across from Monroe School. There were children in the home.
» Seizure of $800,000 in marijuana plants and cash in Goleta. The pot was being grown in sophisticated indoor gardens.
» In November, an enormous drug-trafficking bust was coordinated across five counties. The growing operation was located off West Camino Cielo. An alleged homicide is believed to be related to the operation, although a body has yet to be found. Authorities arrested 17 people, including two juveniles. The 5,000-plus plants seized were valued at $15 million.
» In January, four suspects in a marijuana-trafficking ring were arrested. The total value of the marijuana and plants seized has a street value of $490,000.
» Six suspects were arrested in a raid of an illegal dispensary on Bond Street, and 63 pounds of marijuana was later found buried in a yard in Santa Ynez. Two of the dispensary employees were also investigated for an assault with a deadly weapon against a former employee. This is the second time in two years this dispensary, operating out of a home within a half-block of Santa Barbara Junior High, has been shut down.
» Two people were arrested on drug charges after a fire destroyed a De la Vina Street apartment. Investigators said the blaze was the result of an illegal marijuana operation, and that the residents were using highly flammable butane to convert marijuana from leaf form to concentrated oil to sell to a dispensary. A family with children live in the adjoining apartment.
» Earlier this month, 100 pounds of marijuana were confiscated during a routine traffic stop in Santa Barbara. The suspect owned the ACME Collective dispensary, a Victoria Street operation that was shut down by police last year.
The illegal grows found last year in our area topped $206 million. That is major trafficking, on an enormous scale. California law enforcement has asserted that illegal growing operations in the backcountry are a result of Mexican cartels moving supply closer to the dispensaries. It is apparently far easier to locate cartel workers here in our mountains to grow pot than it is to ship bulk across tightening borders. There are serious dangers to hikers who wish to enjoy the splendid mountain trails close by. The cost to the environment is exorbitant, and no funding exists to clean up the environmental damage caused by illegal mountain grows.
All of this crime happened while there was an ordinance permitting dispensaries. Despite the best intentions of the city of Santa Barbara to regulate dispensaries, crime related to illegal trafficking has exploded. Surely there is a better answer than to try the same experiment again, hoping for a different result. Traffickers never submitted to regulation before, and they won’t now. Most dispensaries don’t even bother with the permitting process, and thus don’t submit to regulation.
Dispensary operators’ claims that they decrease crime, and further, that they welcome regulation, is a nice sound bite and may well be sincere. But the truth is it’s a farce that regulating dispensaries makes illegal traffickers and crime go away. The exact opposite has happened, and it’s clearly impossible to uncouple one from the other. It doesn’t matter how responsible dispensaries portend to be. Unfortunately, the reality is that allowing dispensaries throughout our metro area attracts the illegal drug trade right along with it, and this puts citizens in danger.
While dispensaries are not specifically permitted by state law, collectives are. The state’s definition of a collective is so loose you could drive a truck through it. It’s merely an organization in which patients and caregivers come together in a closed loop to grow and share the marijuana. No sales are allowed, although some reimbursement of expense incurred is permitted. Dispensaries have caught on, often incorporating “collective” into their business name.
Some council members believe allowing dispensaries that sell marijuana will somehow prevent collectives and mobile dispensaries from starting up. Again, the opposite has already happened: mobile and online delivery dispensaries are springing up without bothering to get permits. It’s really a strange bit of logic: permit an organization not specifically allowed by state law in order to prevent one that is specifically allowed by state law. Should the city or county attempt to regulate collectives, they’ll have their work cut out for them, since they’d need to address grow house / field regulations, individual member contributions to the collective, and other hazy areas left unregulated by state law. No city or county in California has successfully attempted this.
Local governments are therefore completely hamstrung within a vacuum of obtuse state laws as they attempt to regulate a business that engages primarily in recreational sales of an illegal drug. Our experience demonstrates that if local officials allow this business, it automatically attracts large-scale criminal elements to the locality, and thus endangers their own citizens. It’s a terrible conundrum: allow dispensaries, thus creating a pot depot in the area, and attract dangerous criminal elements, or ban dispensaries to protect residents while the state churns forward to some less convoluted conclusion on how medical marijuana will be distributed.
Until the state untangles the laws on the subject, the needs of the many for public safety must outweigh the needs of the few for an alternative, unregulated and still controversial pain relief. The collateral damage that accompanies dispensaries is just too great.
A ban is the only sensible option now.
— Sharon Byrne is a neighborhood activist for West Downtown, a freelance writer, and a Santa Barbara Junior High parent. She also serves on the Franklin Community Center Advisory Committee.
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» on 02.17.10 @ 09:34 PM
Sharon. You are right on the money. Great article. Daniel Petry
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» on 02.17.10 @ 09:56 PM
Thanks for your opinion. Too bad it will not mater after the new governor is elected,all this madness ends, and Marijuana is legalized at last in California.
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» on 02.17.10 @ 11:34 PM
hey sharon how many times are you going to repeat yourself in hopes that it will sound good to others.though this all may be true, it still is not right for us all to suffer. why shut all dispensaries down. just continue to cut down the idiots who screw it up for us all. to be real law enforcement should be happy to have these idiots trying to operate illegaly, its just more job security for them. to be totally honest when it gets legalized this all will not even matter, and maybe california will make out on the whole deal. you know that $206 million that was seized last year, yeah will imagine what california could have done with that little bit of taxed dollars. im sure those numbers would have been 10X more if marijuana were already legal. open up your eyes sharon and think of all the good elements this could bring. and at the same time kill that black market completely.
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» on 02.17.10 @ 11:34 PM
This is an out cry, the doctor’s that prescribe the medicinal cards need to be tougher on who gets an authorization. Currently anybody can walk into a cannabis doctor and fake a injury or pain and come out with a paper stating they have been authorized to buy medicinal marijuana.
The patients that truly are suffering are getting penalized from the fake ones and the fake ones are either selling it on the street or to their friends. The owners of the dispensaries need to get tougher as well and make their employees get background checks and be fingerprinted.
I have seen and talked with several young men ages 12-17 yrs of age that have friends working with-in the dispensaries and they are buying there pot from these employees. They are messing it up for the patients that are truly suffering from severe pain and terminal diseases. Just so you know medicinal cannabis is a lot safer then these chemical legal drugs like Vicodin or NSAIDS which after taking only one of them has the potential to permanently damage your liver.
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» on 02.17.10 @ 11:42 PM
Sharon,
Thank you for your opinons. I do take issue with a few of the arguments in your writing. First off; although there are only 6 Star Bucks in town, you neglect to mention Pete’s Coffee, The Daily Grind, SB Roasting Company and a host of other LocalTalk owned coffee shops in town (not to mention the fact that coffee is somthing that people can make in the kitchen every morning legaly). I would assume that far more people in this city drink coffee than smoke weed. Listing the number of Star Bucks vs the number of “Pot Shops” is a very thin argument.
Secondly, before it was “legal” to purchase medicinal canibus, where do you think people bought weed from in SB (trust me, they have been somking it along time before this)? From dry dealers, that’s where. At least now our fair city has some revenue from business permits to fund or D.A.R.E program.
I do think that there has to been some major changes to the system at this point in reguards to medical uses and distribution of medi-pot. I also think that articles such as this provide very slanted, simplified views on a complex issue that promote ignornace and retard any progression on this debate.
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» on 02.17.10 @ 11:56 PM
An unpersuasive opinion piece based on “intuition” and not on logic.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 12:06 AM
You did a good job of listing the BENEFITS from SB County law enforcement.
How about the COSTS? How much did SB County law enforcement spend on marijuana investigations/arrests?
I feel all that money should be used elsewhere in law enforcement.
If the SB County crime rates declined in 2009?
How will you explain that?
I’m not sure when that report gets released…
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» on 02.18.10 @ 12:16 AM
You really are doltish aren’t you Sharon Byrne. Look around, things are changing fast, and obviously your being left behind. It doesn’t matter if there is, “a minimum, 17 dispensaries in the Santa Barbara area.” How many bars and liquor stores are there Sharon?
Are you so naive you think this “devil’s weed” the “corrupter of youth” is more dangerous than alcohol?
What about your languid insubstantial statements regarding why the dispensaries should be closed, all of which would be non existent with legalization. More guilty than those actually perpetrating the crimes is you, Sharon Byrne, and all the other ignorant fools who are fighting a battle you can not, will not win, you are to blame. I blame you and your antiquated idea of moral good for the thousands dead, incarcerated, and no hope of a prosperous future. You are wasting your time writing such an inflammatory piece about such hard working business owners, regardless of their field. Yet, I pity you obviously wouldn’t know whats its like; putting your life into a business then to have it taken from you because by a cretinous group of unlearned individuals, striving to cleanse the streets of this plague.
Sharon I’m sorry to say it, but you need to wake up and smell the buds, because in 30 years you’ll be dead. Or for your sake you’ll wish you were cause my generation will control the country, and things will be a lot different.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 12:38 AM
Thanks for an excellent discussion and all the details. So, is the source of a dispensary’s marijuana illegal? In other words, does the product only come from criminal endeavor? And, I thought that the ‘collective model’ took the profit motive away and that the source of all the marijuana was that grown by collective members in non-industrial amounts.
I think you’re right to be aghast. We all need to see much better leadership on this issue. And California’s economy is sluggish enough without having a large portion of the young adult population stoned.
As an aside, what about allowing one single dispensary or collective in Santa Barbara, located at the main police station?
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» on 02.18.10 @ 04:19 AM
the person whom wrote this is merely re-hashing ancient reefer-madness scare tactics and nonsense. medical cannabis is here to stay. it’s the best medicine there is for a lot of people .
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» on 02.18.10 @ 04:56 AM
Right on!
Getting rid of pot is just a start. Cigarettes and booze do a lot more damage. They are much more addictive and cause may more deaths; auto accidents, cancer, liver failure, etc.
Bring back prohibition! Ban tobacco!
Booze destroys more families and lives than pot.
While we are at it, lets get rid of other addictive drug and doctor / dispensary systems, Oxycotin is one. It might have prevented Rush Limbaugh’s addiction.
Viagra leads to promiscuity and should go along with suggestive side-by-side bathtub commercials.
Lets get rid of scanty clad women on TV that excite men to commit crimes of passion.
The Muslim World have it right; cover up women from men’s evil eyes.
And bring back punishment that will deter crime. Hanging suspects by their thumbs comes to mind. It kept Hitler’s opponents quiet. Crucifixion worked too.
Its the liberals that cause all of our problems.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 05:55 AM
Excellent article, Sharon. Thanks for speaking up with the truth that nobody in leadership wants to acknowledge. Well said - everything that everyone has been thinking who is not a pothead. What bugs me is that obviously they are raking it in, or there would not be so much demand for new dispensary permits. At least tax the stuff to offset the increased costs to the community.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 06:16 AM
The problem here is an issue of governmental regulation. When production, distribution and sale of a commodity exist in such a way that no central governing agency has decent control, there will always be ad hoc agencies that do so by their own best means. This translates into interests of financial gain rather than the well-being of the population at large.
A common misconception is that cannabis would become more prevalent and possibly even a ubiquitous part of our culture if legalized, but regulation of alcohol by our government has done a wonderful job if compared to the proliferation of street drugs or even over the counter pharmaceuticals (#1). If cannabis dispensaries had a safe and secure form of obtaining their products from government operated growers and had as stringent a licensing / enforcement of licensing system as Washington state does for liquor, it could not possibly attract crime in a manner in which you claim they are currently doing (#2).
Alcohol use rose during prohibition whereas it had been falling prior to amendment XVIII of the US constitution (#3). The war on drugs has been somewhat similar (#4).
“Think of what would happen if there were such a thing as medical heroin, and we were the only city to allow it. Every illegal heroin trafficker would gravitate here.”
The UK does, in fact, have a ‘medical herion’ system, and it has worked more effectively at reducing addiction and associated crime than any other form of treatment or criminal convictions (#5). The program also cut down on the tax burden caused by sending these people to trial and holding them during their jail sentences.
Unregulated legalization is something few are advocating. It isn’t even allowed for alcohol or tobacco, and no one is having any intellectual argument supporting that option.
I will assume you will not agree with this position, and I will also assume it is because of personal beliefs. If this argument were based on scientific testing rather than personal feeling, this argument would have ended years ago.
There are two legitimate arguments against the use of marijuana:
Studies indicate that it may raise the likelihood that someone who is already genetically predisposed to schizophrenia are more likely to manifest those symptoms if they regularly smoke cannabis with high levels of THC (#6).
Some studies have shown that regular and heavy doses of THC during puberty can have lifelong ill effects upon one’s short term memory (although I am currently having trouble finding any peer-reviewed article which states that).
Also, it was recently found that marijuana may be linked to a great increase in testicular cancer among young men (#7).
But to classify marijuana as a dangerous substance which should never be legalized exposes a stark contrast between the illegalization of cannabis and legalization of alcohol and tobacco (#8).
The dangers with marijuana are equal or less than that of alcohol or tobacco:
Cannabis is less likely to cause cancer than tobacco (#9)
Regular cannabis use lowers your attention span / IQ less than innocuous and ubiquitous technology (#10)
Crime is caused more from marijuana legislation than the plant itself (#11)
You cannot overdose on marijuana (#12)
The smoking of marijuana injures the cilia of your lungs, but is severely less dangerous if vaporized rather than burned (#13)
Much of the problem associated with how people see this issue is akin to the issue of teen pregnancy. The war on drugs is quite similar to the approach of teaching abstinence as the only means of avoiding pregnancy. The advocates for abstinence-only education refuse to look objectively at the facts presented by the scientific community at large (#14).
It’s simply a task where one must balance idealism and reality.
Instead of beating the drum of war to abolish the crime rate associated with marijuana use, people (and especially those whose job it is to report news and educated opinions) ought to look at the data that is available and look at constructive means to fix what is wrong. If someone has a problem with the crime of growers and distributors of marijuana, take away their economic survival (#15). If there is a demand for a product, the supply will follow it, and prohibition was an excellent example of just that.
#1: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-08-13-teens-prescription-drugs_N.htm
#2: http://liq.wa.gov/licensing/licenseqa.aspx
#3: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1017&full=1
#4: http://www.mpp.org/states/alabama/news/war-on-drugs-as-effective-as.html
#5: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/8255418.stm
#6: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8386344.stm
#7: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7869709.stm
#8.1: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8485122.stm
#8.2: http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/healthy_living/nutrition/healthy_alcohol.shtml
#8.3: http://www.bbc.co.uk/switch/surgery/advice/drink_drugs/cigarettes_tobacco/
#8.4: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8503870.stm
#8.5: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8513509.stm
#9: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4350642.stm
#10: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4471607.stm
#11: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/96383/does_the_war_on_marijuana_cause_crime.html
#13: http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/vaporizerstudy2.html
#14: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3846687.stm
#15: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
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» on 02.18.10 @ 06:56 AM
What a bunch of bs propaganda lol. Clearly written by someone who knows nothing about MMJ, as is usually the case. All this fuss over a plant that has NEVER directly hurt anyone. NEVER. People hurt people, not marijuana.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 07:00 AM
As I read this article, I am struck by the lack of the critical reasoning and broad understanding of the subject by the prohibitionist author. The prohibitionists act as if they scream BAN IT or MAKE IT ILLEGAL loud enough then it all goes away. The reality is that it doesn’t go anywhere except back in the shadows with criminal gangs providing the distribution. Handing a controlled substance back to an uncontrolled distribution system is better…how? When’s the last time you heard Bud and Miller fighting Coors over store shelf space and distribution routes. Any prohibitionist care to answer how an uncontrolled distribution system is better?
The 1930’s called and they want their prohibition back. Apparently, it didn’t work then either. Time to quit playing Al Capone and Elliot Ness. The only controversy that I see is from those that refuse to accept the fact that ...
“Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man.”
DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis Young
Legalize (again) and regulate.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 07:06 AM
Sharon.
Cannabis collectives are not brand label, like Starbucks. If you would like to count up the number of COFFEE SHOPS in Santa Barbara and the surrounding area, I’m sure that the number far exceeds the number of collectives currently open in the same geographic zone.
Second of all, the environmental damage that you claim is caused by the fires burning as a direct result of marijuana growers is ridiculous. The Carbon dioxide and methane that are released as a result of burning forest do not even compare to the fossil fuel usage that Santa Barbara drivers use everyday.
Third, on the number of collective in the area. Think of it like restaurants, in a way. Each restaurant has different cuisine—would you rather go to McDonalds or Taco Bell? Each collective has different medicines for different patients, and each type of medication does NOT have the same affect that it would on someone else. Try telling a cancer patient that he can no longer get his medication because of a limit on the number of dispensaries. He will be forced to drive out of town, multiple times, in order to get what he needs. I believe that is completely unnecessary.
Fourth, you, Sharon, are doing medical cannabis patients a disservice by grouping us together with illegal marijuana growers. Just because these people do exist, do grow, and sell illegally, does not mean that every patient in Santa Barbara is associated with them. There are honest people out there with legitimate medical problems who have been a a legitimate doctor and now pay for their marijuana legally, as permitted by Proposition 215, which California, did, in fact, approve.
So, in essence, instead of ignoring the problem and compiling statistical arguments, we should be proactive in our regulation of medical marijuana collectives. Instead of spending time trying to piece together small legalities to put a collective out of business, why don’t we put our taxes and police force towards stamping out illegal clubs—because, as a patient, I can tell you that we do not appreciate following the law and having others not. This is more energy and time efficient and will eliminate investigations of supposed ordinance violations—such as being far too close to a park full of homeless people, not children.
Thanks Sharon.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 07:18 AM
Which governor is going to legalize marijuana?
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» on 02.18.10 @ 07:27 AM
I see what you are getting at. Total legalization would negate the majority of the ‘criminal acts’ above and in effect make all those grows legal.
Agreed. You are on the money.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 07:32 AM
Sharon,
You need to smile in your picture. Maybe you need some medical Marijuana???
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» on 02.18.10 @ 07:33 AM
Equating dispensaries with an increase in crime makes no sense. The crime was there before there were dispensaries and the crime would still be there if alll the dispensaries went away. Dispensaries don’t create crime, making things that people want illegal creates disrespect for the law and criminal activity. People want access to cannabis. If you deny them legal access they will go back to illegal access. You won’t see it, but it will still be there. The dispensaries are sincere in wanting reasonable regulation. They don’t want to have to compete with irresponsible outlets. They want to deliver a quality product and pay taxes and abide by the rules as any other business. Where the community has failed is in not making resonable rules for them to abide by. The obscene profit available from growing and selling illegal cannabis is what is creating the crimianal acts described and that will not stop until recreational use is legal once again as it was before prohibition. If we want to deliver a blow to the drug cartels we need to reduce the price od cannabis until they can no longer make so much money from it. That is what got the mob out of the alcohol business when prohibition of that substance ended and that is what will work now. Since we are so good at ignorng history we have spent the last 30 years and more repeating it.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 07:40 AM
Good Article Sharon. Illegal drugs are supplying the dispensaries as are criminals. A very sick woman I know grows her own as she absolutely does not trust the marijuana provided by the dispensaries. If she is sick already, unknown chemicals and agents from the marijuana can make her sicker.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 07:48 AM
Medical Marijuana prescribed for frowns - not too far from reality.. Maybe she isn’t happy? I think a smile might send the wrong message.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 08:03 AM
Comparing Mexican drug cartels to home growers? Apples and oranges sweetheart.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 08:09 AM
Have local police stations serve as the dispensaries. This will cut out all illegal activity associated with dispensaries (at least theoretically) and ensure authorized citizens have access to the medication they need.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 08:17 AM
Sharon has some good points. I have always thought I didn’t care about whether marijuana was legalized or not. Now having some experience with many who have licenses, (none for true ailments such as cancer,etc. but rather for “PMS” or “headaches”), it appears the license gives people a go ahead to smoke almost 24/7…“it’s legal”. If you do that with alcohol, you are clearly a disfunctional alcoholic. Those who smoke constantly are not very functional either but they insist they do everything better while stoned. Yeah, then why can’t you find your car keys again or the list you needed for the store. People driving on pot think they are fine. Their short term memories, depending upon the THC content causes them to drive slowly and forget things. Any pot smoker who states differently is lying. Unlike alcohol, there is no test to immediately tell if someone just smoked and is too high to drive. If they cause a wreck, we have a right to know….just like drunk driving.
Many of these folks are in construction, using tools, driving equipment and insisting they do it better while stoned. Go figure. I am not a prude at all and used to be in favor of legalization as I do think this drug is, in most cases, less dangerous than alcohol and should be used recreationally….at night, on a weekend when you are staying in one place. Just not liking what I am truly seeing….using the license as a license to stay stoned all of the time for recreational use. Not OK with alcohol and not OK with pot.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 08:22 AM
What a waste of newsletter space.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 08:23 AM
I knew the potheads would be waking up from their drug induced stupor when they read this one - otherwise you don’t hear a peep from these losers snoring on the couch. But try to take away their addiction and BLAM! Suddenly they are researchers, bloggers, politically involved and motivated, writing white papers on why pot should be legalized!
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» on 02.18.10 @ 08:41 AM
Legal Heroin ... a.k.a Morphine obviously you have no idea that the #1 problem for law enforcement currently is the abuse of prescription medications DO SOME RESEARCH
I don’t hear you complaining about the real problems how about the big drug companies for example Bayer, Novartis, 3M (who all play a part in the meth epidemic) where is the accountability for the doctors who can control the access to these drugs they prescribe them oxycontin is easier to get from your doctor than a non narcotic pain reliever like tramadol or alternative pain management plan. We can also thank these doctors for the deaths of Michael Jackson, Heath ledger, and Anna Nicole Smith not to mention our countless local prescription medication related deaths .The focus obviously not targeted at the right people START with the doctors, the doctors who we can thank for defining our treatment plans and our narcotic access, these dispensaries are trying to make “safe access” they are trying to follow rules and guidelines that make it SAFE for patients to go and get there medication and no access is not a solution and everyone who thinks that they can decide what medical condition is responsive to medical marijuana should either be a doctor or go and do some serious research.
It will be a HUGE surprise to all of you if marijuana IS criminalized and the street dealers are the only option. Then see your crime rates
Let the police do their job SERVE AND PROTECT we welcome regulation!
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» on 02.18.10 @ 08:52 AM
Sharon you’re so off base it’s not even funny. Comparing the amount of local Starbucks to dispensaries only shows how ignorant you are.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 08:56 AM
Eliminating reputable collectives that follow the law is not the answer for the many ailing patients who rely on marijuana as their medicine. Parents should take some responsibility and educate their teenagers on the difference between medication and illegal drug use. The people of California voted for medical marijuana and many, many people rely on marijuana as an alternative to prescription medications such as oxycoton, morphine, and many other extremely harmful prescription medications.
When are we going to recognize that marijuana improves the quality of life for patients with illnesses such as cancer, AIDS, crohn’s disease, chronic pain, to just name a few? Parents should look in their very own medicine cabinets and see what else their teenagers have access to…
NO ACCESS IS NOT SAFE ACCESS.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 08:57 AM
I respect your opinion, however, I feel you are forgetting the super vital importance of it’s medical use. Marijuana or Morphine? I do beleive they should lock down the dispensarys without permits. We shouldn’t allow these idiots to ruin it for the people that depend on these facilities. Also, I beleive that the crime related to marijuana is directly related to drug cartels coming from Mexico, and they have been smuggling drugs for years.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 09:03 AM
Ryan,
Actually I do agree with you, partially. My sense is that what we’re all struggling with is a void of regulation at the state level. What we have now is worse than legalization because the state hasn’t provided any real way to distribute and regulate medical marijuana. Cities just don’t have the breadth or depth to handle it, and we’re fooling ourselves thinking we can, as a city / county, take on something this big by trying it from a zoning perspective. There’s just too much landscape for a city to cover, as other posters are pointing out. This quasi-legalization just makes it easier for traffickers, and I agree with Gina that it’s ruining things for people for whom Prop 215 was passed.
The Starbucks comparison was made because they are well known for over-saturation in terms of market presence, even opening across the street from one another.
SBForme, if you don’t think burning up 88,000 acres is serious environmental damage, nothing I can say will convince you. Where are those environmentalists when you need them????
For the folks trotting out arguments about how MJ is harmless, all I would say is that I am glad I was not on that plane two weeks ago when that guy went nuts from eating two pot cookies, and attacked the flight crew.
Anon, you’re right: the collective model is a not-for-profit form. It’s just not being followed.
The two forms of distribution allowed by state law are cooperatives and collectives. Here’s the definition of cooperatives per Attorney General Brown:
A cooperative must file articles of incorporation
with the state and conduct its business for the mutual benefit of its members.
(Corp. Code, § 12201, 12300.) No business may call itself a “cooperative” (or “co-op”) unless it is properly organized and registered as such a corporation under the
Corporations or Food and Agricultural Code. (Id. at § 12311(b).) Cooperative corporations are “democratically controlled and are not organized to make a profit
for themselves, as such, or for their members, as such, but primarily for their members as patrons.” (Id. at § 12201.) The earnings and savings of the business
must be used for the general welfare of its members or equitably distributed to members in the form of cash, property, credits, or services. Coops fall under agricultural codes, and all members are supposed to share in the profits.
Notice that no dispensary organizes as a cooperative.
Collectives are not defined anywhere in state code, so AG Brown looked it up in Webster’s, and provided the following definition:
“a business, farm, etc., jointly owned and operated by the members of a group.” (Random House Unabridged Dictionary; Random House, Inc. © 2006.) Applying this definition, a collective should be an organization that merely facilitates the collaborative efforts of patient and caregiver members.
Though dispensaries often use collective in their business name, it’s a business, not patients and caregivers jointly owning it, and coming together to collectively grow and share the marijuana among themselves in a closed-loop.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 09:36 AM
BRAVO Ms Byrne!
‘Bout time someone realized the problem we see and spoke up. Everyday we are seeing more dispensaries strongarm their way into our cities by opening without proper permits, classification etc. If this were truely medicine, why arent they next to Doctors (not referring to the paid ones hired to recommend it)why is this being pushed on the backs of our truely sick and disabled? The push for marijuana is a push for recreationalizing it thats why! Have we not done enough damage with tobacco and alcohol? Cant wait to see all the numbers go up of the incarcerated for driving under the influence of marijuana. Oh but wait, it makes them better drivers and more alert. Just ask any of them.
Get ready CA, if you continue to allow this, expect to have “medicating areas” at disneyland and all your other family areas, after all, you cant discriminate against the ill. And lets not forget the workplace, I mean if its medicine they will surely expect to take it every four hours as needed for pain (even on the job). Is the line at mcdonalds not slow enough already? Imagine trying to check out at walmart with the stoned checker or the person in front of you high. Good golly we could be in the express lane all year.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 09:46 AM
Sharon,
You may (unknowingly) be making the same arguments that fearmongers made to support “Prohibition”.
If you read your history, Prohibition was not successful and was the cause of a huge rise in crime.
Look at all the movies about it. Al Capone, Moonshiners. Some people even speculate that the Kennedy’s made their money running Moonshine and Speak Easy’s.
Look at all the crimes you just illustrated surrounding Marijuana.
If you take away the illegality, you take away the need for the crimes.
When Prohibition was lifted, some of the criminals disappeared, many of the rest went into drugs and prostitution. Some went “Legit”.
Look at the problems we have at our borders. People are carrying the stuff on their back along with weapons in their hands to shoot at our Border Patrol.
Now the Drug Lords are getting smart and cultivating it here in our own back yards. Read the Police Reports. They show how the small guy who was “Peacefully” growing Marijuana to make a few bucks is being replaced by Dreg Dealers bringing in Immigrants to “Grow and Guard” their crops.
Before when you stumbled onto a pot field, their was not problem. Now their are “Armed Guards” and you fear for your life.
If you make this stuff legal and Tax it like they did Alcohol, not only would we be financially better off, our Police and Border Patrol could use the funds they already have as well as New Tax Dollars to deal with other crimes. The illicit activities you mentioned would all but disappear.
Read your history. Their is an old saying about History repeats itself when people forget.
People had the same arguments about having too many Bars or too many stores that sell liquor. Any sentence you wrote, just replace Marijuana with Alcohol, and “History Repeats Itself”.
Try thinking about what would happen if Marijuana was legal. It would be regulated, controlled and taxed. Just like Alcohol.
As for your argument about it getting into the hands of “Kids”. It has been in the hands of Kids since I was in Jr. High. I am 51 years old. People have joked for years about if you wanted to buy some “Pot” just go the the High Schools.
Please, try to rethink this and do your research about Prohibition. It is amazing what history can teach us.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 09:46 AM
I’m not a pot smoker anymore, but I don’t have a problem with it being legalized. I think if it is regulated with a sound system, all of the bad stuff associated with it can be eliminated.
Also, I don’t think it would be difficult to create a sound system to regulate where the pot goes and comes from etc., because think about how SB is able to regulate home additions. I mean, they can fricken’ ream you for adding a room onto your garage or using the wrong type of material for your drive-way, and they enforce these rules ALL of the time.
Also, think about Farmer’s Market, it’s very regulated too, everyone there is “official” and went through a permit process explaining where their produce comes from etc. just to be able to have a little booth. If there was an enforced rule making sure that the pot came from a legitimate source (rather than illegal Mexi-cartel growers), then there wouldn’t be a problem anymore…at least in regards to Medical MJ Dispensaries.
As far as people making false claims about pain etc. to get a pot license, there isn’t really anything that can be done about that. I understand that a lot of people do this and just get stoned recreationally, but those people are going to get stoned no matter what and will buy pot no matter where the pot comes from. At least if it’s “official” they aren’t giving money to the cartels & meth dealers, but rather, to legit (local) growers.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 09:47 AM
Geez…sounds like someone has a lot of pent up stress and agression for something that does not even touch their life when left to be…Time for someone to hit the bong pipe…...
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» on 02.18.10 @ 10:23 AM
This article is the Biggest Load of BULL.. Its the same lame Neocon propaganda opposing any access..
The crimes listed are not relevant to Medical Marijuana and allowing safe access for the Patient at all either..
This is the same crap that L.A. City official Cooley has taken..
These people do not believe that Cannabis has any medical value.. They believe everyone just wants to get a buzz..
They are ignorant as a Tree Stump and righteously aggressive with their stand against any legalization..
Not one of these people has done their homework and found the truth…
If all California Cities worked together with MMJ Patients instead of opposing them at every turn… This would be a non issue..
So the HELL with truth and what the American People want… Screw the Disabled MMJ Patient who needs MMJ but can’t get any access.. Send them into the streets to find their Meds you can bust the all there…..
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» on 02.18.10 @ 10:28 AM
@JiminSB, I didn’t make an argument about pot getting into the hands of kids. I also didn’t advocate for prohibition, and am not. I just see that this idea of ‘regulate dispensaries’ is not working. All the wonderful things promised: less crime, less trafficking, etc. have gone the other way - increased crime, increased trafficking.
One of the problems I have with the prohibition stance is that it’s a lead-in to debate on legalization. Sorry, but legalization hasn’t happened yet. We’re only legal for medical marijuana.
Under prop 215, patients can grow their own marijuana under a doctor’s recommendation, have a caregiver grow it for them, or associate collectively with other patients to grow it together. Nothing I have written argues with that. That’s the law. There’s nothing prohibitionist about this. But do I fall for the pop notion that dispensaries are necessary, that we need to be the only city in three counties that allows them, and that we need to accommodate all the traffickers that show up to cash in on our pot culture?
No, I am not signing up for that.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 10:38 AM
Sharon - chew on this for a bit…
“UC studies find promise in medical marijuana”
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-medical-marijuana18-2010feb18,0,1023346.story
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» on 02.18.10 @ 11:00 AM
Sharon, first of all if you are going to talk about Medical Cannabis, at least do your research.
Let me help you:
“The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy” by the National Institute of Health
http://www.naturalvip.com/pot/Endocannabinoid_System.pdf
“Marijuana and Medicine” by the Institute of Medicine
http://www.naturalvip.com/pot/Marijuana_Medicine.pdf
“Feds Continue to Barricade Marijuana FDS Drug Development Research” by Jag Davies, ACLU Drug Law Reform Project
http://www.naturalvip.com/pot/Obstruction-of-Research.pdf
And finally:
Look up patent # 6630507 issued to the Federal Government for the use of Cannabis as a Neuroprotectants and Antioxidant.
Now, I am trying to be polite, but with out knowing the facts, you just make yourself look ignorant and frankly like an uneducated bigot.
The fact is that medical cannabis is the world’s best medicine (and oldest). It treats a myriad of ailments and without any significant side effects. How many big pharma drugs can say that? Or can do that? Has your trusted Western Medicine ever come up with a drug that can treat over 30 different diseases? Do you want corporations to have authority and control over your personal health? I don’t. In my research I have located over 27 patents that big pharma holds on the medicinal use of cannabis. They are filing the patents, then burying them, so that their profits are protected from the widespread use of this GOD GIVEN MEDICINE.
Please, next time, if you are going to put something out there in an attempt to sway public opinion, at least know what you are talking about.
Kind Regards,
Luke W. Archer
Resident of Santa Barbara
Video Director
San Francisco School of Medicine
Continued Education Program
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» on 02.18.10 @ 11:22 AM
Sharon,
You say “The needs of the many for public safety must outweigh the needs of the few for an alternative, unregulated and still controversial pain relief.” And would you say that about acupuncture? Homeopathic medicine?
How about the needs of disabled people who depend on wheelchair accessibility? Should we then do away with handicapped parking since the needs of the many (non-disabled) cannot park right in front of the store outweigh the needs of the few (disabled) who are allowed prime parking due to their condition?
By the way, nice copy and paste job from previous data on “your” article.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 11:33 AM
Sharon,
The cartels come to those areas because the land is there. Not because of the dispensaries. 99% of the marijuana never sees the dispensaries. It gets packed and shipped across the country. So why don’t you drown some of your sorrows in a bottle and see where that gets you. A lot closer to harm than marijuana ever could!
Good Day!
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» on 02.18.10 @ 11:37 AM
Sharon,
The cartels come to those areas because the land is there. Not because of the dispensaries. 99% of the marijuana never sees the dispensaries. It gets packed and shipped across the country. So why don’t you drown some of your sorrows in a bottle and see where that gets you. A lot closer to harm than marijuana ever could!
Good Day!
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» on 02.18.10 @ 11:41 AM
Wow….Ban a natural plant that evolved from the ground millions of years before human ever existed. Maybe its not the plant that is to blame for societies problem, maybe its the people. Your just another ignorant brain washed miserable bit#h. This article is actually reverting back to the ignorant propaganda scare tactics of the 1920’s and 30’s
REFER MADNESS!!!!
Get a clue…better yet, get an education.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 12:09 PM
to shoot the author as an infidel please get lost and find something productive to do? The article has nothing to do with the merits or ill effects of marijuana, prohibition history, effects on kids, or patients. It is only talking about dispensaries and crime in Santa Barbara. Quit cutting and pasting responses you wrote for other blogs here. Get it?
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» on 02.18.10 @ 12:22 PM
What about all the other counties with dispensaries? Maybe it just has to do with the location that attracts large scale marijuana production? And that large scale trafficking most likely has no relation to the dispensaries. Do you think cartels really care about MMJ??? No! There business is the streets! Did you ever think about that???
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» on 02.18.10 @ 12:56 PM
One of the author’s main points is an attempt to make a connection between the existence of dispensaries and local crime related to illegal trafficking. In my opinion, the case is a weak one.
Dispensaries are still a relatively new method for legally distributing medicinal marijuana and there are definitely still local and state-wide kinks to work (e.g. city council’s mods to the permitting process). The rules and the system aren’t perfect, but the notion that the existence of dispensaries in their current form is related to large illegal grows and trafficking isn’t convincing.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 12:59 PM
why has crime gone down in these areas
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» on 02.18.10 @ 01:16 PM
I have to agree on the issue of tightening the regulations/laws that make dispensaries legitimate for those who truly need the service. What is the difference between mjmds, and liquor stores or tabacco shops? Plus, I’ve seen how mj has positively and productively helped with diabetic related amputation pain.
I do see and hear a lot of fear in this article, however.
Doesn’t it all boil down to education? Educate and dispell the fear ignorance can create and make better choices.
Whether they use/d marijuana or not, parents have that inescapable (though some have tried) obligation to educate their children on this subject, presenting mj information directly and answered questions with or without the help of the net/library.
A good dose of self-empowerment does wonders for a child’s esteem when they believe a parent is willing to let them make important personal decisions for themselves. In the face of peer pressure, implicit (not coerced) parental support sincerely can help a child make ‘better’ choices. In my little family (me and my three kids), there were the BIG five; alcohol, drug abuse, unprotected sex, smoking and nose picking. I have had excellent results with two subjects, fair results in two others, and I’m still working on the nose picking issue!!
I’m not saying that this approach will iron-clad prevent ANY child from experimenting…which they will do…whether you are aware of it or not…just take a look on any neighborhood corner where teenagers congregate and 2:1, there is a deal going on…
But, I think the alternative (living in fear/ignorance) is much more detrimental to ANY free society.
And, if we are so worried about California’s future regarding this or any other controvertial issue…then why aren’t we, as parents, taking on a more RESPONSIBLE and enlightened position in our upbringing skills and giving our children the knowledge and self confidence they need to make better choices, despite what the world of bad-guys may bring? Knowledge is POWER!
Why are we content to number off all the bad that can happen in any deviant situation, with the hopes that we can frighten others into our way of thinking, instead of educating our progeny (and ourselves) about all sides of an issue and making better choices.
Those who rely on mj to assist with pain management, eating disorders, anger management (to name a few), and make their lives more livable/productive, should not be demoralized or denied because of those ‘entitled’ few who prefer to live outside the law. We don’t close down liquor stores because someone was killed by a drunk driver.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 01:43 PM
I have found in life that not understanding the topics I am commenting on only makes me look uneducated. Congratulations. Repitition and comparison without relevence only go to support that. Perhaps one should brush up on medical marajuana dispensaries and get back to the people of Santa Barbara who take the time to get thier news from Noozhawk.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 01:50 PM
I think we should ban all retail establishments. Think of how much crime is committed just in shoplifting that could all be avoided if we just didn’t have stores anymore.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 02:25 PM
The government strictly regulates alcohol which kills more people and is the cause of more crime. Prescription drugs abuse is on the rise, and rapidly becoming the choice of many people seen as role models to kids. Yet you go on and on about crimes just because their related to pot. Come on, you think all these criminals were nice people until they took a hit of the “devil weed” Quit trying to lay societies woes on my doorstep because I use pot to relive pain, I’m really sick of you uneducated do-gooders calling us criminals because you’re too dense to see it’s benefits… I say legalize pot now so we can drag these morons out of their do-gooders surburbian pipe dreams….keep spoon feeding your unintelligent masses this stupid dribble Sharon, keep telling yourself you got it all worked out…it won’t matter a bit in the long run!
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» on 02.18.10 @ 02:45 PM
MOST OF THE CLUBS YOU LISTED ARE NOT OPERATING ANYMORE. YOU CAN NOT USE A WEB SITE AS THE ONLY BIASES FOR YOUR ARGUMENT. JOURNALISTS LIKE YOU, ARE THE REASON PEOPLE DO NOT RESPECT THE MEDIA. FACT CHECK, DO SO LEGWORK, MORE THAN JUST GOOGLE SEARCH ENGINE. COME ON!
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» on 02.18.10 @ 02:52 PM
From what I have heard, they do tax the weed sold, so instead of some drug dealer getting the money, its actually going to the state. Its going to roads, schools, police. If people are going to do it anyway, shouldn’t the good guys at least get some money off it? In a lot of ways, it is helping the economy, and the community.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 02:58 PM
All of the events the author listed were ILLEGAL. Those operations have existed for decades. The point is to legalize and regulate. If the massive mountain grows were legal, the author would have a point. If the BHO fire in the apartment was legal, she’d have a point. But she doesn’t, and her self take in the bathroom is really goofy.
-Mesa Dan
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» on 02.18.10 @ 03:05 PM
Sharon, You are completely wrong and have distorted the facts. Look at the number of bust before the collectives opened. The type of marijuana that the drug cartels provide is not of medicinal grade and does not find it’s way into the collectives. Your saying by making it all illegal that it will cut down on the amount of crime? I think you need to look at history. Prohibition is what makes crime. When I look at what you have written it screams to me that it is time to remove all crimes for marijuana. How many beer cartels are there? or Tabaco or coffee catels selling these highly addictive drugs to our childern?
I think you are correct in part and that is that crime is bad and we need to reduse crime. Legalise Marijuana NOW.
National day of protest March 26 2010
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» on 02.18.10 @ 03:05 PM
I would like to comment on Ms Byrne’s very silly piece about marijuana dispensaries. First, any twelve year old computer literate (and they all are) student could refute every single allegation that Ms Byrne has made so I won’t take the space to do that now. Ms Byrne has obviously been drinking a lot of Kool-Aid. Her statements that marijuana dispensaries attract crime are so silly that even the law enforcement and “fighting back” sillies don’t make them.
If one assumes that Ms Byrne can think (I personally doubt it) one has to wonder where she got her facts and her logic. Possibly she was sick the day they taught logic at her school.
It boils down to this: The dispensaries do not serve children. There has never been any evidence or even an accusation of this. Second, without dispensaries, marijuana is readily available to anyone who wants it.
You describe yourself as a Santa Barbara Junior High School mother. If you have two adjacent brain cells you must realize that your child has better access to marijuana than he/she does to beer. Beer is much more harmful or do you also dispute that?
I could go on but you aren’t worth the time.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 03:14 PM
You assert that the statements made by collective supporters that allowing collectives to dispense medication to its members under carefully drafted regulations helps control crime, is nothing but “a nice sound bite.” You do not offer any solid evidence to support this assertion, and in fact, you conveniently omit any mention of where you think the qualified patients in your fine town might obtain their medical marijuana if not from the collectives. If you open your mind to nothing else, trust me on this point, when the city I live in decided to shut down 9 collectives which were operating dispensaries, the next morning there was no one more excited then the illegal drug dealer on the street. their business tripled the minute the injunctions were issued. Now, I am not a patient nor a grower but I can tell you this, these patients have a right to obtain and use medical marijuana under state law. Since that is the law, I would much rather have them obtain it from a regulated collective then some dealer on the street. Why is that so hard to see?
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» on 02.18.10 @ 03:27 PM
At what point does it make sense to legalize marijuana, receive tax revenues and stop paying millions of dollars to eradicate the states largest crop? Not sure what everyone that shares your view are so afraid of?
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» on 02.18.10 @ 03:36 PM
>> Will the people sent by Weedtracker <<
No one was sent, everyone who posted here has their own opinions and equal freedom of speech…
Just like you.
But unlike you, many of them won’t just bury their heads in the sand when masses disagree with them or scream “GO AWAY” and then ignorantly hope everything turns out just the way they wanted it all to be.
Just for them.
That. Is. Just. Not. Happening.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 03:58 PM
Interesting that the majority of evidence you cite to support your claim has nothing to do with medical marijuana. Illegal grow this, illegal grow that…this isn’t the pot that ends up in the dispensaries and it’s already illegal, why would you think this activity is going to go away if you ban dispensaries?
Your Trojan Horse is naked.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 04:05 PM
As an employee of a local dispensary I thought maybe, I could contribute a unique perspective on the issue surrounding medical marijuana dispensaries in Santa Barbara.
While I do agree that the current scenario feels out of control, I also believe this sense does give fodder to those who seek to describe the sky as falling. But I also put forward that law enforcement has been more aggressively acting against illegal operations, thus, possibly creating the perception of a higher level of criminal activity. Crime statistics, however, suggest otherwise. Due to the controversial nature of the subject, any large arrest operations get a high degree of coverage. I also believe law enforcement now has a stronger motive and ability to distinguish between legal medical marijuana activities and illegal activities. It is unfortunate that some dispensaries have been involved in allegedly illegal activities. I agree with the fact that loose regulation and permitting requirements have contributed to this scenario and enabled a few undesirables to try and hide beneath the law so that they can continue in whatever illegal activities they were engaged in prior to. On the other hand, the inference that dispensaries produce more crime is grossly unsubstantiated; even as the model may be abused by a few individuals to cover existing criminal activities. But it is apparent that law enforcement is able to detect this criminal element and take action. The fact that dispensaries operate in a very public and open space probably makes it even easier to detect such criminal activity, and thus, results in increased arrests such as those which we are seeing as of late.
To pick a point of contention, I don’t think you can get away with suggesting that dispensaries have a direct correlation to activities of the Mexican drug cartels in California. You have no factual data to support such an assertion and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise. The truth is that valid dispensaries take away market from such organized crime syndicates. Prior to the existence of dispensaries these organizations were able to sell their illicit drugs to consumers here in the U.S. and in California. Thus, the argument that they are moving operations here to be closer to dispensaries is illogical. They have always been able to bring their products to consumers. What is more likely is that increased pressure from Mexican and U.S. law enforcement operations is driving them further into the U.S.. Though, it may be true that the criminal element make attempts to operate under the legal veil of dispensaries it also draws them out into the open resulting in more scrutiny and hopefully arrests.
There is more work needed in the area of permitting and state law. There is no argument here. But villainizing all dispensaries as the source of all evil is diversionary. We need to focus on solutions and at the same time accept that medical marijuana is here to stay as a result of the will of voting citizens. Rather than attack dispensaries as a flawed vehicle for dispensing it seems far more prudent to become more proactive in governance; because the lack of good governance really is the cause of what we are seeing today. Unfortunately, patients and employees such as us suffer as a result of the City’s inability to develop effective, fair and compassionate policy towards dispensaries.
I believe that most dispensaries seek to operate as legal contributing members of the community, but only those who don’t operate in this way make the front page. As employees of dispensaries we do not get much support from the community, media, police or local officials. We are but mere pawns in a shifting political game where we face the risk of arrest, persecution and unemployment. Most of us do this because we believe in what we do. We believe that our endeavor is a good one which has a far greater positive impact on people’s lives than the media, city government and police would have you believe. Because there is no story in seeing the pain on the face of a terminally ill cancer patient whose only source of relief is medical marijuana. Or in the chemotherapy patient who cannot sufficiently nourish themselves in order to combat their disease, only to rely on medical marijuana in order to finally regain any semblance of an appetite. We see, firsthand, the benefit medical marijuana provides to those in need and we risk our own personal livelihoods in order to serve our patients and the community. And we genuinely want to serve a positive role in our communities.
Though the argument to outright legalize marijuana is a sticky one and even those of us who work in dispensaries have varying opinions on the subject, there is one thing that cannot be argued. Medical marijuana has a strong positive impact of the lives many people. That is why the ambit of California voters enacted Prop 215. I can personally testify to this certainty because I interact with hundreds of members of my community on a weekly basis.
Nobody ever said it would be an easy transition towards the legalization and regulation of medical marijuana. Nor can it be realistically expected that the process would be without its fair share of problems. But it is a manageable one. And you cannot justifiably blame dispensaries for the fact that government has failed to do so thus far. But I am fairly sure that after all the oscillations and the indiscriminant closure of dispensaries, the city council and staff will maintain their positions as community servants. And despite the attempts of many to operate with best intentions and with the highest legal standards in mind, I don’t think our industry will enjoy the same job security. So really folks, lets place blame where blame is due. Dispensaries should legally provide medical marijuana to patients and contribute positively to the community. Criminals participate in crime and should be prosecuted accordingly. City government should regulate effectively, fairly and deliberately. Enough said.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 05:42 PM
This is sick and you people are bullies and punks that want to play Doctor and keep suffering patients from the most effective, natural medication that is available and for what ?
The only problem you people have downtown is alcohol related. Go pour yourself a stiff one you hypocrite!!
All I really can say is that hopefully Karma get you and you will need this medicine and no one will protect you.
Only a cold hearted bully would keep patients from their medicine.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 07:22 PM
Ms. Byrne states:
“Santa Barbara just ranked No. 6 on a nationwide survey of cities for well-being, which seems utterly incongruent with an illness rate that requires 17 medical marijuana dispensaries.”
I hate to tell you Sharon, but perhaps enjoying a bit of the good herb has filled SB with a sense of well-being. Perhaps all you stressed-out Republicans (that includes you too Petry) need to smoke out a bit, or eat some muffins and maybe you won’t always get so angry about things.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 07:28 PM
To meddle in our business. Why is it they like to complain about government take over, too many laws and tout how it should be up to all of us to live our lives unmolested by the meddling influence of others, yet they’re always the first in line to make laws and have the government step in to regulate marijuana, abortion, who can get married, who can adopt babies, etc. Do I need to go on?
Please crawl back into your hole and live in fear all by yourself. There’s no need to bring the rest of us into your paranoia. If you don’t like pot, maybe you’ll feel better getting your therapist to prescribe some anti-anxiety meds for you that are manufactured by big pharma. You can calm down and support your investment portfolio just by taking ONE…LITTLE…PILL.
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» on 02.18.10 @ 08:54 PM
Just reading the 1st few comments does anyone even realize state ballot measure or no State ballot measure it cant be legalized until the Fed’s legalize it?
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» on 02.19.10 @ 08:47 AM
So the pro-pot folks were sent over here from weedtracker:
http://www.weedtracker.com/forums/medical-marijuana-news-176/propaganda-santa-barbara-202869.html
Propaganda from Santa Barbara
This is from Noozhawk in Santa Barbara. Coincidentally (maybe, maybe not?) this was posted on the same day that at least four dispensaries were raided in Santa Barbara/Goleta. Written by the typical hack that is poorly educated on the subject. She actually resorts to using the standard talking point “Starbucks” comparison.
Sharon Byrne: It’s Time to Ban Marijuana Dispensaries - Noozhawk.com
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» on 02.19.10 @ 10:36 AM
Re: “Medical Heroin” - DUH - it’s called a Methadone CLINIC.
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» on 02.19.10 @ 10:39 AM
Curious to know if Ms. Byrne is for or against the opening of a BevMo at De la Vina and State. Personally, I’d rather have a dispensary.
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» on 02.19.10 @ 11:11 AM
Sharon, How about you get crystal meth and tranny hookers out of Santa Barbara.. i feel that all the shady clubs should be shut down because the cancer, aids, terminally ill who have been fighting to have medical cannabis get pushed in the dark because of idiots doing dumb things. i watched a friend slowly die because if there illness and cannabis is the only think that helped him with the pain. why dont you go meet some patients who are suffering before you try and bash on a subject you really dont know anything about. i worked for clubs and have seen both sides of the story first hand. Like i Said why dont you guys go after Crystal Meth with Destroys Familys and Kids, Hookers off the Street… So Sad Santa Barbara Leaders focus time on marijuana and not on Evil Drugs like Meth…...
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» on 02.19.10 @ 11:25 AM
It seems as if most of the comments here point to the obvious fallacies in this article. Even a pothead can see through the thin veil of pomposity to the hyperbole.
The MMJ-reform crowd on this comment roll (most of them) are making generally better arguments, where as the ban supporters and the author seem to be resorting to straw men and slippery slopes.
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» on 02.19.10 @ 04:02 PM
“For the folks trotting out arguments about how MJ is harmless, all I would say is that I am glad I was not on that plane two weeks ago when that guy went nuts from eating two pot cookies, and attacked the flight crew.”
All I had to do was google “drunk flight attack” and immediately found far more instances, and far worse instances, than you described.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/21/1090089223414.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/01/09/2010-01-09_drunk_on_plane_stirs_f16_flyby.html
You shouldn’t make arguments without a logical defense. If you are arguing that cannabis is dangerous because one person attacked another while under its influence, then you are climbing a slippery slope.
Here’s reading material concerning cannabis and related aggression:
http://ncpic.org.au/ncpic/publications/factsheets/article/cannabis-and-aggression
Here’s a comparison of the health effects between the use of alcohol and the use of marijuana:
http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/
You are only hurting your own cause when you make baseless arguments.
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» on 02.19.10 @ 09:25 PM
Manard - you always were a dope! Pun intended. But I digress:
Ms. Byrne, that was sure a mouthful! Jeez, 1,900 words of blah, blah, blah!
Check this out: MJ.jpg This is the entire article with the most used words in larger fonts and laid out randomly. It is more interesting than the article.
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» on 02.20.10 @ 10:55 AM
Sharon wake up it’s the 21st century and it’s a proven fact Medical Marijuana is saving lives !! Guess how many people have died due to an overdose of Marijuana ? Answer—none !!No one ever !! Now aspirin on the other hand kills people , cigaretts? millions die ! Alcohol ? I don’t even want to guess how many !! And how many people have to deal with drunks leaving local bars and resturants !? No one hangs around dispensaries and causes problems ! Stop wasting taxpayers money on a phoney war against a non dangerous herb ! Maybe all the Legal Medical Marijuana patients should get together and file a class action lawsuit against the S.B.Sheriffs office for this raid!
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» on 02.21.10 @ 12:46 AM
Her points were all drivel.
Illegal outdoor grows?? The Dispensaries are pretty much only looking for high grade indoor grown and will not buy mass produced outdoor grade if possible. These are cartels using the good growing condtions to grow en masse and ship to points East where they don’t have Dispensaries.
And the Dollar amounts on the busts? Everyone who isn’t mystified by the prohibition propaganda knows the authorities weigh the plant and the root ball and the dirt to come up with an elevated value. An immature plant made up of stems and leaves and roots is worth ZERO to anyone but the most desperate marijuana smoker.
People using Butane in an Enclosed apartment. That isn’t the Dispensaries problem, it’s Darwinism.
There are houses operating as bars in some neighborhoods on Sundays. Do we shut down all alcohol establishments?
She compares the number of Dispensaries to Starbucks? Why not make a more valid comparisons and use Pharmacies instead. How many Pharmacies are in that same area??? How many cigarette selling establishments???
Lordie, reading this took me back to that film “Reefer Madness”
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» on 02.21.10 @ 12:55 AM
By the way….
Looking at Sharons picture I see..Alcohol, cigarettes and a penchant for bleach.
Smile girl…smoke some OG and I bet you will.
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» on 02.22.10 @ 09:29 AM
Glad to see your soo tough on Medical Marijuana dispensaires, maybye next we can go after hospitals?!?!? i think their are waaaaaaaay to many hospitals helping people and I wnat to get them cut down. pfff, everyone have a chance to get help for their sickness?? What kinda pipe dream is that? oh, wait, its the AMERICAN WAY. think before you write, and do your research. And no, calling X number of dispensaires does not qualify as research. take a gander at how many CVS’s, Walgreens, Hospitals, and other things of that nature in your great city of SB. If we get rid of the dispensaries, if your not advocating for the cutting down of all the others mentioned above, then you ma’am are a dirty hypocrite, and noone likes those
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» on 02.23.10 @ 01:07 AM
Face it, the fact is that there does not need to be anywhere near this number of “dispensaries” to serve those that have a LEGITIMATE need to use marijuana.
That’s the problem, everyone is running around chanting how these businesses are serving the MEDICAL need of patients all over town. Yet the simple fact is that only a small percentage of those that patronize these shops can honestly make that claim.
The majority of these “prescriptions” are completely bogus and simply used as a license to get high. Getting high is NOT what the purpose of MEDICAL MARIJUANA is for. Who does not understand that? Really?
For those of you that cannot see the forest through the trees, as this situation spirals completely off target, a few things are going to happen…
Physicians are bound by FEDERAL laws. Those laws are quite clear on writing bogus prescriptions too. It won’t be long until all the attention and controversy drawn to this issue reaches a point where the Feds are going to step in and kill it all. That is going to harm the very people this is intended to help, those with a LEGITIMATE MEDICAL NEED.
There are statistics that show what percentage of any given population truly fits the criteria for legitimate need for medically prescribed pot. It is not rocket science to see that when an area has 4-5 times that amount of prescriptions, the system is being abused.
Add to that all of this arguing by people that clearly are not in that small, select, group and the inevitable conclusion can only be that the reason for all that outcry is simply this, those people want to GET HIGH. They do not have cancer or glaucoma. No, they used whatever creative manipulation they could come up with to get that precious card… self diagnosed ADD, hangnails, whatever… all a crock of BS.
Face it, you are your own worst enemy here. Publicly screaming and kicking when the City tries to scale it back to the actual “legal” dispensaries is only going to draw more attention to what is really going on. That is going to cause a much bigger problem and the Feds WILL kill it all.
Too bad you could not just play by the rules that the City and County have laid out. After all, that still provided you with a place to get your fix. No, you are bound and determined to cause it ALL to get shut down through your own myopic actions.
...and the real victims? Those people who really DO have a medical need to ease their suffering… they are going to get screwed thanks to you all.
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» on 02.23.10 @ 08:52 AM
If one truly needs this type of medicine, then it should be handled as all controlled substances are and given by prescription from a docter and administered through a pharmacy.
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» on 02.24.10 @ 01:02 PM
The Pharmacies will not distribute Medical Marijuana due to the fact that there is not a billion dollar industry of Pharmaceuticals and all the lobbying and freebies that come with it.
Pfizer has to sell their Pills by the handfuls.
Hmmm, a red one to pick me up in the morning, one for stress, one for high blood pressure, one for discolored toenails, one for gas, one for twitchy legs, one to bring me down, one to help have sex and then one to put you to sleep. And all we have to offer is a simple weed.
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» on 03.01.10 @ 11:06 AM
Hi Sharon my name is John and I am a medical marijuana patient that was interested in responding to your article. If you were to look at me right now you’d probably put me off as some kid that’s just trying to get stoned legally, however I have legitimate reasons for the medicine I choose to use. I was diagnosed with tourettes syndrome, attention hyper deficit disorder, and obsessive compulsive disorder all at the age of 3 and was immediately prescribed Prozac, an anti-depressant. I was too young to realize what was going on at the time and continued taking one pill every morning and another every night like clockwork every day of my life until I turned 12. I was a social outcast, everyone thought of me as sort of a weirdo because I was always walking around extremely hyper one moment and then like a zombie the next. I finally decided I had enough of the pills and told my mom I was never taking them again and she was fine with it.
Interestingly enough my social skills improved, I started having friends, I wasn’t in the principals office every other week, and my grades were even improving. My first exposure to medical marijuana was an ad I saw in Temecula at the age of 17 which I actually laughed off because I didn’t know how a drug I would use recreationally would work medicinally. I would smoke marijuana every other weekend and I didn’t see how the effects I got out of it were medicinal. Then when I moved out at 18 my roommate told me he used medical marijuana to help him with his insomnia and hyper-anxiety. I told him pretty much what I told you and he suggested I try his medical marijuana 3 times a day for a week to see how I’d feel. At first I didn’t see how it would work, the marijuana was stronger quality because it was medicinal and at first I was overwhelmed. But after the 4th or 5th day it stopped being as intense as it used to be and actually started helping. The ticks and spasms from my tourettes syndrome that I thought were uncontrollable actually became easier to handle and it also helps me focus on whatever I’m doing rather than spacing out and not doing anything.
I am a legitimate medical marijuana patient and despite all of the idiots out there giving us a bad name, we do exist. I may only be 19 so I’m obviously not a father, however I do have a younger brother who is only 4 and I share the same concerns as parents do when it comes to being exposed to drugs. I wouldn’t want my baby brother being exposed to marijuana unless it was medicinally, the same way I wouldn’t want him taking a whole pack of Benedryll to mimic the effects of LSD (yes people do this) or having him eat a whole bottle of Flintstones gummies. I used to think marijuana was a horrible horrible thing but in reality it is completely harmless. It is impossible to overdose on and really the only concern to deal with for marijuana is making sure people aren’t doing things they shouldn’t with it such as driving behind the wheel. It’s just like alcohol except without the destroyed liver, hangover, uncontrollable feeling, or alcohol poisoning. Marijuana comes as naturally as any other fruit or vegetable. It’s not like cocaine or heroin or meth or anything hard like that, those are either made in makeshift garage labs or synthesized from a plant like the cocoa or poppy plants respectively. You don’t have to alter the marijuana plant in any way to get it, it’s just like getting lemons or oranges. You get a seed, plant it in the ground, let God do his thing and soon you’ll have a plant/tree that you can pick off your fruits/marijuana with.
What upsets me the most is how much this medicine has worked for me in just the past year of using it in comparison to the Prozac that made me a freak for almost a decade. Everyday on TV I see advertisements for all sorts of crazy pills that will help with a condition but give you explosive diarrhea, will make you vomit uncontrollable, or some of my personal favorites, increase cancer risk in children or tuberculosis. I guarantee you won’t find any medical marijuana user increasing tuberculosis or cancer risk (in fact, it helps some cancer patients). We’re still prescribing medications to children that are based off of drugs even WORSE than marijuana. Some drugs we prescribe to children today are very similar to speed and meth! The pain killers we prescribe to people are opium based. These are pills that are meant to help people for conditions but these are also abused by people that shouldn’t be using them, much like medical marijuana.
I’m sure the biggest concern for people with medical marijuana is the children and the fact is that it’s up to us, not the government. We are the ones that need to tell our children what is right and what is wrong, tell them the facts about all of the drugs and not to take them. The same way you’d tell your kid why he can only have one chewable vitamin or one pill for his headache. Although what is interesting to me is how both of those items can be found on shelves, however you can overdose on both things where as marijuana, which remains illegal, is impossible to overdose on. The legalization of a drug is a very big change, however if it happened all of those statistics you used probably wouldn’t be able to be used anymore. What I mean by that is that those are all the direct result of the black market. The people growing tons and tons of plants in remote locations are almost always gang related. They bring their drugs from over the boarder and sell them here, then they take the money we used to buy them and go back over the boarder with it! However when people buy medical marijuana, the state gets that money and even gets to tax it! It is far less harmful than alcohol and tobacco both of which cause thousands upon thousands of deaths per year. If we can sell and tax products like those that have been proven to cause death and cause tons of death per year, then why can’t we sell and tax a product that doesn’t? Allowing dispensaries would actually DECREASE marijuana related crime. Think about it, why do the cartels keep coming up here to sell their marijuana? Because it’s not legal up here and there’s a huge black market for it. The people that aren’t able to walk into one of these shops and get their marijuana have to go to the drug dealers to get it, most likely related to the cartels. The money then goes to the cartels and that’s that. However if we had a ton of dispensaries where people could buy it from a place regulated by the state then the money would go to the state. No one will want to buy from drug dealers anymore because it’s not as safe as walking into a medical marijuana store. The cartels will be making absolutely no money and will give up on marijuana and probably stick to their cocaine.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but all that I’m asking is that you keep an open mind and know that there are legitimate medical marijuana patients such as myself. We all aren’t just a bunch of stoners looking for a way to legally get high, it actually works wonders as medicine for us.
Thank you,
John
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» on 03.15.10 @ 01:03 AM
To Curious: I was about to ask the same thing>
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