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Daniel Petry: Progressives Plot Slow Death of Democracy
If you place a frog in a pot of boiling water, it immediately tries to escape. On the other hand, if you place a frog in a pot of cold water and slowly bring it to a boil, the frog will not recognize the danger until it is too late.
In the war that progressives are waging on their fellow Americans, and our representative democracy, you and I are the frog. Moreover, these gangsters — President Barack Obama and his supporters — don’t want you to feel like the frog. Instead, they want you to be distracted with high-impact national debates while their minions work diligently behind the scenes of regulatory agencies to incrementally erase your freedoms.
They do it under the tyrant’s guise of multiculturalism, and “we are just here to help” regulations, or compassion for your fellow man, and the Internet needs to be free and regulated, and on and on ad nauseam. One tiny regulatory rule after another — each one designed to build a neat little government box around your life.
Instead of death by a thousand cuts, it is tyranny by a thousand little regulations.
Let me say that if you promote a progressive philosophy, I consider you a threat to my freedom. If you are a progressive politician, and swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution — as one Democratic congressman recently said, “I don’t worry about the Constitution” — then you are a traitor.
It’s becoming obvious that the forward edge of the battle area is being held not by the co-opted political class, or our corrupt media, or those who suck from the nipple of their government masters, but by Americans who are actually producing something, believe in American exceptionalism and understand the power of an unfettered populace. What is heartening is that occasionally these hard-pressed citizens find support in unlikely areas.
President Obama is so threatened by the Supreme Court that he can’t help but make childish attempts to intimidate them. The problem the Golden Boy is running into is that the judiciary is on to him and has the capability to inflict grievous wounds on his regime. I spoke with a federal district court judge last week. Being a family friend, he felt confident talking to me about the anger that he and his fellow judges are feeling toward the assault they see on individual and business rights in this country.
But not all is lost. Freedom-loving Americans recently won a small victory in the war against the soft tyranny that progressives are trying to infect our nation with. The Federal Communications Commission was slapped by the judiciary for trying to slip the bounds of their regulatory leash and attempt to control the Internet.
Why have socialists chosen the FCC as a pathway for the destruction of some of our most cherished freedoms? Well, let’s look at who exactly is involved with this powerful agency.
Take Mark Lyon, the diversity czar at the FCC. He has some very un-American beliefs. He says, “Unless we are conscious of the need to have more people of color, gays and other people in those positions, we will not change the problem. We’re in a position where you have to say, “Who is going to step down so someone else can have [the] power?’”
I certainly couldn’t guess who would be making those decisions, can you? Certainly not you or me.
Then you have the founder of Free Press, Robert McChesney. This is a guy who you could surely take home to mom. He was the editor of the Monthly Review, which he has described as one of the most important Marxist publications in the world.
In addition, here is a cool tidbit that I’m sure you saw reported by the mainstream media. Free Press and McChesney worked closely with Obama during his campaign to develop his digital technology guidelines. Oh, I am so excited that a devout Marxist is working with another devout Marxist to formulate communication rules and regulations for our nation. Somewhat cool, huh?
But it gets more exciting.
Both he and Lyon are firm supporters of that lovely little Venezuelan curmudgeon Hugo Chavez. McChesney even suggested that the owner of an anti-Chavez media outlet be arrested and eliminated. This guy designed Obama’s tech policy and is directly involved with the FCC? I certainly feel warm and fuzzy all over; I even have tingles going up my leg.
McChesney was quoted as saying that “any serious effort to reform the media system would have to necessarily be part of a revolutionary program to overthrow the capitalist system itself,” and that “there is no real answer but to remove, brick by brick, the capitalist system, rebuilding the entire society on socialist principals.”
Way to go, Obama. I love the vermin you have infested our nation’s capital with.
Then there is his position on net neutrality. “We need to do whatever we can to limit capitalist propaganda, regulate it, minimize it and perhaps eliminate it.” Sounds like a threat to me.
Close your eyes. Can’t you just see firing squads by mind-numbed followers sporting snappy berets with a cute rainbow logo, wearing nice brown shirts with “Yes We Can” armbands humming the catchy tune “Umm, umm, umm, Barack Hussein Obama?”
Maybe not. But when Free Press prints a book that highlighted how the “problem” of talk radio needs to be taken care of, I don’t know about you, but that sure sounds like something the Sturmabteilung said in the 1930s as they violently harassed what they said was the “problem” of their day. Only it wasn’t talk radio personalities they were talking about. Oh, how times change. Or do they? I digress.
Slowly but surely, a number of Democrats are joining our ranks in the fight against these gangsters. You have to love Howard Stern when he says, “The fact is that these Democrats [in] the FCC are Communists. They’re for Communism. They don’t want to see companies — this is gangsterism.” He has vowed never to vote Democratic again. A little too late, but we will take you nonetheless, Howard.
I’m even hearing a number of my liberal — not progressive, mind you — Democratic friends saying that this is starting to scare them. They didn’t want this kind of “change.” They’re starting to see that ideological radicals have hijacked their party. The party of the common person and small business is now the party of total government, total union control and massive expansion of the deficit, huge tax increases and mandated requirements — with the result being the slavery of our children and grandchildren to paying down the debt.
My response is always the same. These criminals are bullies. But there is one thing standing in their way: the American people.
We just have to keep focused. We have future battles. A crucial Second Amendment case before the Supreme Court right now needs to be won and the health-care bill needs to be eviscerated. We need to do all we can to support the numerous cases the states and individuals are bringing against it. In the meantime, we need to throw up every single roadblock we can to derail this abortion of a bill.
Nevertheless, remember the story of the scorpion and the frog — here is that darn frog again. A frog was getting ready to cross a river when a scorpion came up to him and asked if he could hitch a ride to the other side. The frog says, “But you’re a scorpion. You will sting me.” The scorpion says, “No, I will not. I promise, I just need to get across to the other side.” Climbing onto the frog’s back, the frog and scorpion make their way acorss the stream. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the frog. As they begin to drown, the frog turns to the scorpion and asks, “Why did you sting me? You promised. Now we are both going to die.” The scorpion replies, “I couldn’t resist it. It is my nature. I’m a scorpion.”
The moral of the story? Socialist, Marxist, progressive, whatever you want to call them. They will always be true to their nature. It is what they are — scorpions.
— Santa Barbara resident Daniel Petry is the CEO and founding partner of Petry Direct Inc., a 20-year-old management firm that specializes in content production and marketing management. He attended the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, class of 1976, and received a master’s degree in business administration from the University of Colorado.
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» on 04.08.10 @ 06:42 PM
To the Noozhawk, please stop running articles by Petry unless you have a left wing nut to counter him. It is really becoming repetitive how he resorts to this kindergarten style of commentary similar to Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. Please name one person you have writing like this from the far left. Maybe he is a good friend of Noozhawk and is getting special consideration? If not, then more balance is needed or a name change to the RightWingNoozhawk would be appropriate. Terms like abortion of a bill and his total lack of understanding of basic law and the Constitution should be an embarrassment to your publication. Do you review his write-ups for accuracy or truth before hand or do you just let his angry, child-like name calling take place because it enhances your popularity? This man is clearly a bigot and a racist by any measure. Every time he writes an article there is a reference to color and minorities. Journalism is more than just ratings it has to do with civil discourse and the truth. Sadly, Petry consistently demonstrates time and time again that he is just an insecure man that gets great pleasure out of name calling and acting out his bullying fantasies. Noozhawk you can do much better than having someone write an article that concludes that any progressive is a scorpion by manipulating an old fairy tale.
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» on 04.08.10 @ 06:53 PM
Dan. As good as your 17th Amendment article. Great piece.
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» on 04.08.10 @ 08:16 PM
So his quotes are inaccurate? Step up or shut up local. Your tantrums and desire to censor are boring.
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» on 04.08.10 @ 08:29 PM
Local. You just became the poster child for Santa Barbara’s brown shirts burning books. Good to see you expose yourself for what you really are. One of Petrys scorpions.
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» on 04.08.10 @ 09:26 PM
I am merely pointing out that everyone of his articles has the same theme: hatred of anyone that disagrees with him and a very angry violent tone to his discourse. It really seems to be the flavor of the right these days to think they have a corner on the yelling, scarey talk without much substance. It is wrong to take an entire group of people, may they be conservative,liberal progressive, democrat or republican and just blast out childish names. He has it backwards, progressive protect and defend the Constitution through organizations like the ACLU. The gangsters are the corporations, the banksters not the people. Corporates are now able to have all the rights of an individual, thanks to the Supreme Court. Maybe Massey Energy should be tried like an individual since 25 workers died in their coal mine directly due to safety violations?
Expanding healthcare for another 32 million people is the right thing to do and helps their pursuit of “life,liberty and happiness for all”. Access to basic healthcare for all citizens is a right and not a privelege.
Well Charlene, Daniel is inaccurate about the cost of healthcare to his business in his previous article. He refused over and over again to walk anyone through the logic and continued to deflect it to his accountant. What a cop out because he spoke before knowing the facts. In this article he is pushing to overturn the healthcare bill because it forces individual’s to buy insurance. Well guess what we already are forced by the governement to pay for social security and medicare. Interstate commerce laws are very clear and allow the federal government that right. So why push to have the States and the Federal government go to court and waste our tax dollars?
I and many others are for civil discourse but apparently Daniel, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh etc. are not.
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» on 04.08.10 @ 10:08 PM
Local. This might be intellectualy challenging but which of Petrys quotes are incorrect. I’m not going to allow you to deflect. Now what are they?
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» on 04.08.10 @ 10:25 PM
God bless it he nails you guys so easily. It really ticks you off doesn’t it? So much so his life has been threatened and you can’t respond to his articles other than to demand that they be destroyed. So let’s do this. What items of your comment are inaccurate?
“To the Noozhawk, please stop running articles by Petry unless you have a left wing nut to counter him.”
How about you stepping up local?
“It is really becoming repetitive how he resorts to this kindergarten style of commentary similar to Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. Please name one person you have writing like this from the far left.”
Again, man up. Submit an article under your real name and go for it.
“Maybe he is a good friend of Noozhawk and is getting special consideration? If not, then more balance is needed or a name change to the RightWingNoozhawk would be appropriate.”
Stop being a baby.
“Terms like abortion of a bill and his total lack of understanding of basic law and the Constitution should be an embarrassment to your publication.”
How so?
“This man is clearly a bigot and a racist by any measure. Every time he writes an article there is a reference to color and minorities.”
Where does he refer color and minorities here? A Golden Boy has nothing to do with race you fool.
“Journalism is more than just ratings it has to do with civil discourse and the truth.”
So write an article, submit it under your real name to give us “the truth”.
“Sadly, Petry consistently demonstrates time and time again that he is just an insecure man that gets great pleasure out of name calling and acting out his bullying fantasies.”
And he bullies you where? Are you so thin skinned you need mommy to help you defend your vacant beliefs?
“Noozhawk you can do much better than having someone write an article that concludes that any progressive is a scorpion by manipulating an old fairy tale.”
But is is such an accurate fairy tale. It nailed you didn’t it local? So show us your brilliance and write something.
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» on 04.09.10 @ 12:45 AM
Charlene: >This might be intellectualy challenging but which of Petrys quotes are incorrect.
I’m not “local” and don’t him/her, but I wanted to take up your challenge. I sent about 5 seconds scanning the article for something I could fact check. I arbitrarily picked the comment about the FCC “diversity czar”. I tried to find the quote but couldn’t, because there isn’t a Mark Lyon that works for the FCC. There is Mark Lloyd, who is Associate General Counsel and Chief Diversity Officer (http://www.fcc.gov/ogc/lloyd.html). With respect to the quote from Mr. Lloyd, it appears to have been made at a May 2005 conference on media reform. While Petry doesn’t state that Mr. Lloyd’s comments were made during his tenure under President Obama, I don’t know that it is accurate to state that these are Mr Lloyd’s beliefs….if you look at the quote in context of the remarks he was making, it was much more of a though experiment than a call to action. Either way, he wasn’t speaking on record as member of this administration.
So…, I spent a couple minutes on the first thing I found. Petry got the name wrong, and didn’t provide (in my opinion) enough context around the remarks, most notably on the timing. Seems incorrect to me.
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» on 04.09.10 @ 01:54 AM
Local keeps asking why Obamacare would increase costs for small businesses. The main reason is because the premiums for health insurance will have to go up. Nothing in the new law prohibits insurance companies from increasing their premiums. Because of all the new mandates required by the law, such as lower deductibles, drug addiction services, maternity even if your a single male, etc., there is no way the premiums will not go much higher. Also, insurance companies will not be able to price risk factors, such as age, healthy lifestyles and preexisting conditions, which will further pressure premiums. Today, in order to mitigate these costs, businesses will either cut costs by paying less for health insurance, purchasing less costly plans or eliminating it altogether. Although Local may not like this, it is better than the alternative of going bankrupt. Under Obamacare, if you have more than 50 employees, you will not be allowed to pay less for health insurance, If you do, you will have to pay a penalty to the government. This will place an inordinate burden on many businesses. What is also interesting will be the perverse consequences of this new law. If you have less than 50 employees, you will not be required to provide insurance for your employees. Also, if your average salary for firms with less than 25 employees is less than $40,000, you will receive subsidies from the government. Guess what, any company that has 49 employees or pays on average less than $40,000 per employee will certainly refrain from hiring or increasing their wages. There are also other reasons for why this will be burdensome for business, if anyone here wants to know.
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» on 04.09.10 @ 08:31 AM
It’s not hateful or bigoted to opine that the so-called Progressives are and have always been about big government power and believers in the nanny-state.
Those who complain about Petry would do well to remember the behavior of the Left during the Bush years - screams of “liar” without proof, etc.
There are those who believe in individual rights and freedoms, those who believe in the nanny-state, and those who are somewhere in the middle. Recent surveys published in the LA Times and Newsweek indicate the US is a slightly right-of-center country. Hopefully the upcoming elections will swing Congress back in that direction.
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» on 04.09.10 @ 09:04 AM
Spend a minute researching online and you’ll find that Mr. Petry’s initial premise about boiling frogs is either entirely incorrect or at least unproven.
He then continues in this fantasy mode to cast “progressives” (a designation he never defines… apparently they are different from “liberals”, though) as traitorous, Marxist gangsters waging war against Americans and the Constitution.
In his last column here, the author wrote a long list of deficiencies in the Constitution that needed to be remedied. He doesn’t like lots of elements of the Constitution but portrays himself as a defender of the document and describes people he doesn’t like as “vermin” because be believes they want to subvert the same Constitution that he often derides.
The author then cites Howard Stern as a Constitutional authority, and then devolves into the ridiculous frog and scorpion anecdote has been used so many times by so many demogogues with so many villains inserted as the “scorpion”.
We could just as easily say that the scorpion who can’t change his nature is the self-styled patriot who manufactures facts and, instead of engaging in civil debate, uses vicious language to villainize people with different viewpoints.
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» on 04.09.10 @ 09:21 AM
Way to go local. If you do not agree with someone label them racist.
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» on 04.09.10 @ 09:45 AM
I think it’s great that the new media makes it easy for folks with unusual views to write at length to the public without wasting paper or ink, merely moving electrons. (And I really hope Petry continues with his 17th amendment campaign: its repeal should be a primary demand for any Republican nominee - otherwise just vote for the Democrat.) I doubt the FCC is trying to endanger Petry’s internet rights, but he is as entitled to live in his imaginary world as e. g. UCSB’s self-martyred Sociology prof was entitled to live in his last year.
But my circumlocution antennae tingle a bit whenever I read his self-description: “attended the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, class of 1976” I attended high school, and could tell you where and with what class, but I’m embarrassed to say that I never graduated. Anybody know if Petry actually GRADUATED from West Point? If so, why not say that?
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» on 04.09.10 @ 11:48 AM
Local, you berate Dan for speaking his opinion, none of which contains the vial hatred, condescension or rude derogatory remarks I have seen from liberals, particularly against a sitting president when Bush was in office. So your whole diatribe is nothing more than the kettle calling the pot black.
You have never once answered my question to you specifically, how you justify trillions of dollars in entitlement service on the back of a $50 trillion debt. You and your nanny state morons continue to beat the drum of “we need it” without ever once saying how it will get done.
Meanwhile the rest of the conversation on this topic continues to swirl around how much one side hates the other. Well AHamilton, Passing-by, Super and Local, where is the damned money coming from geniuses? You love to pick a part comments and articles but none of you brilliant jack asses can answer that question can you? You idiots really believe the rich are gonna pay for your little touchy feely European socialist worshipping experiment? I cannot believe you folks would be that naïve or plain stupid, but apparently you are because I have not seen one comment from the left on who pays, except for the rich who won’t (here that sucking sound, that’s the wealthy pulling their money out of our economy stupid). Since half the population doesn’t pay income taxes and the rich can shelter their fortunes offshore who the hell do you morons think is going to end up paying?
Here is a suggestion, you lefties pull your noses out of Europe’s behind long enough to breath oxygen and maybe you will realize their wonderful HC system is freaking BROKE! And they HAVE protections against foreign competition to their wealth generating industry and have us picking up the tab for their defense and they are still going broke. Tell me why that is something we should model after. Why would we want a system which penalizes success and rewards failure? Huh, geniuses, show me the brilliant sociological report that says taking from doers to give to those who won’t is a good thing to do?
Further, there is no such thing as compassion at the point of a gun (all law is at the point of a gun). If you perpetually shallow self-centered jerks really cared about anyone but your selves you would be out there actually helping those in need instead of always trying to pawn it off on the general public, so you don’t have to be involved. So jam your two bit compassion “it’s the right thing to do” crap, it rings as hollow as the rest of your tired BS comments. And yes Local I am very angry and I don’t really care if you or any other sappy liberal/progressive likes it or not.
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» on 04.09.10 @ 12:21 PM
“The need to have more people of color, gays and other people in those positions” is un-American? Nice. Being a right winger is fine (I’d support more of their ideological positions if their grade 3 rhetoric and detachment from reality didn’t make them so unappealing) but why is fear and hatred of anyone different from the whitebread ideal always part and parcel of the Republican-Libertarian mindset? Racism, homophobia and misogyny hurts your cause. Get it?
Before you “claim” Howard Stern, know that he admitted voting for Bush once and was stunned at the outcome and hates Repubs even more than the Dems.
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» on 04.09.10 @ 12:50 PM
Hey Charlene let me take this one. SuperBigGulp that is the most ignorant comment I have seen in some time. Jesus man are you really that dense? You are lost and just another Jim Jones follower.
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» on 04.09.10 @ 12:53 PM
AHamilton so the quotes are inaccurate? Now son just try not to go down the standard path of defaming the speaker and not addressing the message. Were you the guy that made the recent death threats against Petry? Or should your moniker be SaulAlinsky.
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» on 04.09.10 @ 04:08 PM
Cindy Rivers:
“AHamilton so the quotes are inaccurate?” That’s what I was asking - does anyone know whether the quote, that Petry merely “attended” West Point, is the best that he can say?
“Now son just try not to go down the standard path of defaming the speaker and not addressing the message.” Huh? Is this my Mom writing? Hi Mom! Hi Dad! Hi everybody!
“Were you the guy that made the recent death threats against Petry?” No, I like the guy, and as I said I hope he keeps writing here.
“Or should your moniker be SaulAlinsky.” Is this a trick question?
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» on 04.09.10 @ 06:14 PM
AHamilton. I see you are experiencing a degree of penile envy. We see it a lot in men like you. In Japan it is called skoshee. I don’t care if he was raised by a pack of wolves and goes on to found an empire. I like Petrys articles period. P.S. I think he is “hot”.
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» on 04.09.10 @ 09:30 PM
I’m proud to be a progressive. If it weren’t for progressives we’d all still be beating each other over the head with sticks and robbing each other blind. Maybe Dan would like to return to a feudalistic system, but I have to remind him that even back then most commoners had risen up to demand certain rights from the nobility and nobility had claimed a good degree of freedom from the whims and humors of their kings. Progressivism simply means the taking of incremental steps toward a better and more humane society. Sometimes, yes, that involves putting a stop to unfair practices and taking back ill-gotten gains. Did your kids benefit from a public education, Dan? Did you? Were your parents, like mine, helped along with government programs during and after the Great Depression? Are you looking forward to social security and medicare? Enjoy public parks and use city streets? Ever been to the library? Be thankful for the progressives that came before you and those that still live in your midst. And stop trying so hard to sew hatred. It isn’t at all becoming.
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» on 04.10.10 @ 04:24 AM
Really ? You guys really don’t recognize who “RANDY THURSTON” is? Really ?
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» on 04.10.10 @ 08:34 AM
Regardless of when these statements were made the mere fact that these Marxists have any connection to the FCC and are so close to this failure of a President is frightening and will lead to an incredible level of civil disobedience.
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» on 04.10.10 @ 08:41 AM
Actuall I agree with Dan. Progressives are the true enemies of our republic. And yes I would prefer to return to our federal form of governemnt when the States had representation and your frigging nanny state approach was abhorant to freedom loving people. But be careful for what you are wishing for because the trend will shift back and I’m afraid will be far more radical than what you could ever imagine. I’d like balance, what we may end up is something that will totally separate the states from the union that all that is left is the dregs of this nation best represented by California.
So here is my thought - LEAVE ME ALONE!! STOP TRYING TO CONTROL EVERYTHING I DO YOU CONTROL FREAKS/FASCISTS!!
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» on 04.10.10 @ 09:47 AM
Jonkwilliams, glad to hear you are proud. Does that pride include taking from those who earn and giving to those who did not? Since when did doing good include forcing people to participate, at the point of a gun? How is a society better if the only thing you did was transfer wealth, from those who made it to those who didn’t? Please, explain how we measure progress when the out come is adults who never grow up? Adults who become “addicted” or “dependant” on continuous handouts and never learn to take care of themselves?
There is a huge difference between collecting taxes for the common defense and infrastructure of a country and having a government control the means of production and distribution of goods, can you see that? When raising a child, do you teach that child to become productive, self reliant, to care for others willingly and to make sure they plan ahead for problems, a rainy day? Or do you just let them behave the way they want, give them what ever they need without reciprocation and teach them that no matter what happens mommy and daddy will take care of them? And how does that work when mommy and daddy are broke and homeless?
Progressives believe life can be made better through increased government intrusion and the redistribution of wealth from those who earn to those who won’t. This model assumes that people will want to work hard so others won’t have to. It assumes we are motivated by being a bigger sucker than the next guy. It assumes that an economy is stagnant and only grows with population; therefore it is necessary to steal from those who are good at making money and redistributing it to those who cry and whine. Yet human history shows that in every civilization where individuals gave up there self determination for authoritarian safety, the result was tyranny. Our system of free market and limited government power assures a population motivated to do better simply because your efforts are rewarded, not penalized. It also ensures a self reliant population because the penalty for screwing up is starvation and exposure. Because your hard work is rewarded, you strive to do more, thus becoming an engine for increasing wealth which mean more for all rather than robbing Peter to pay Paul. Contrast that to an economically bankrupt society of adult adolescents.
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» on 04.10.10 @ 10:08 AM
Yes the birkenstock progressives have the horrendous distinction of giving this country the only two large scale examples of concentration camps to house hundreds of thousands of AMERICAN citizens – all arrested by progressive gestapos. Your beloved FDR and Japanese Americans and Wilson and his thousands of American political prisoners. Something to be proud of. And by the comments I have seen you make dozens of times and I’m sure you would find justified for those that are disagreeing with you now. Do you have your brown shirts and Obama armbands ready?
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» on 04.10.10 @ 10:23 AM
Genachowski described the FCC agenda for 2010 in the written statement. “Our implementation plan lays out a roadmap for reforming universal service to connect all Americans to broadband, including in rural areas; unleashing spectrum, promoting competition and supporting small businesses; protecting and empowering consumers; safeguarding on-line privacy; increasing adoption in all communities and ensuring fair access for people with disabilities; protecting broadband networks against cyber attack and other disasters; and ensuring that all users can reach 911 in an emergency.”
In other words, more and more government intervention into the public marketplace. “Yes children we are the government and we have come to help. You must ignore what the administration has said prior to election since it was all just a mis-quote” Don’t you love these Marxist trolls?
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» on 04.10.10 @ 04:37 PM
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but Petry name-calling will never hurt me.
Hard to believe this whining banshee was ever admitted to a Service Academy.
So, the national political majorities in both houses of Congress, and the White
House, selected by the large majority of the American people, in a free and fair
election, are:
“Socialist, Marxist, progressive, whatever you want to call them.”
And these people - mostly moderate, centerist Democrats, Independents, and moderate, centerist Republicans - are “Scorpions”?
Well, Mr. Petry, please don’t sugar-coat how you feel about your neighbors, and fellow citizens, okay?
Some of us vaguely remember candidate Obama running on a platform for
Health Care Reform, putting the Bush-Cheney-Petry foreign wars on-budget,
and figuring out how to staunch the bleeding from the Bush-Greenspan-Petry
economic collapse that Obama inherited.
Some of us vaguely remember that platform winning clear majorities for Obama,
and Obama’s allies in both houses of Congress.
Some of us vaguely remember that eight years of Petry-nomics had bankrupted
half the financial, brokerage, insurance, automotive, real estate structures in
the country, to fraud, self-dealing, mis-feasance, non-feasance, and total non-
regulatory oversight.
Some of us vaguely remember that Obama inherited the largest budget deficit
in the history of the Republic as a result of the implementation of Petry-vision
by the previous administration and its Gingrich-Hastert-Lott-Frist team.
But most of us sucked it up, and waited for the wind of history to gently nudge
them off the stained page of what Time Magazine has called “The Decade from
Hell.” And most of us did it with a whole lot less whining, name-calling, and
incivility than the perpetually petulant Mr. Petry.
When Bush’s tax cuts for the rich went down, Petry was silent. When the Iraq
War happened, for no apparent reason, Petry was silent. When both wars were
funded off-budget, Petry was silent. When federal revenue collapsed, and bubble economies arose, Petry was silent. When fraud and self-dealing became
widespread throughout the economy, Petry was silent.
But now, just fifteen months into Obama’s term, Petry has finally lost it.
He is furious at ... Rove? Rumsfeld? Greenspan? Cheney? Bush? AIG? Lehmann
Brothers? Madoff? Former Speakers Gingrich and Hastert? Former see-hear-
speak no-evil Attorney General Gonzales?
Nope.
It’s those poor deluded fools who chose not to vote Sarah Palin in as VP, and
did re-elect her friends to seats in Congress.
That’s the problem right there, isn’t it?
In a democracy, our neighbors get to decide at the ballot box. Not Mr. Petry.
Not his Tea Party friends. Not the NRA. Not all the tea-bags in China.
And boy, does he hate that.
Grow up, Daniel. Suck it up.
There’s a new election in November.
Whitmanomics is about the same as Palinomics and Petrynomics.
You may still have another chance to bat.
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» on 04.10.10 @ 04:43 PM
Kris - AHamilton,emptynewsroom,jonkwilliams,local,publius with a very small p, and GeeWiilikersWally (who seems to ignore his wife to have an affair with his keyboard) can’t leave you alone. Like most co-dependents, in their minds they need to control all that goes on around them. As Petry says it is in their nature. They need to be able to tell you what kind of healthcare you will have, what kind of car you will drive, who you will vote for, how you will raise your children, how much you will pay to make sure their projects get paid for, how much slavery your children will bow down too, how you will be taught and what you will be taught,do you get the picture? Humanity has always had tyrants these are just the current examples. Now YOU WILL STOP DISAGREEING WITH THEM. Or else your life will get threatened as Petrys has.
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» on 04.10.10 @ 07:00 PM
Kris, I’m trying to figure out how these statements could ever offend or scare a genuine conservative. Lets look at them…
“Our implementation plan lays out a roadmap for reforming universal service to connect all Americans to broadband, including in rural areas”
My opinion: Broadband is the latest, greatest pipeline for businesses to reach current and potential customers with sales messages and products. Having virtually everyone connected will be a tremendous boon to free enterprise.
“unleashing spectrum, promoting competition and supporting small businesses;”
My opinion: Wasted spectrum means lost income. Competition is what makes capitalism great. And I’m sure you have nothing against small business, the true engine of our economy.
“protecting and empowering consumers;”
My opinion: Those who do business honestly are tarred unfairly when society lets crooks, cheaters and charlatans run amok. Legitimate businesses are happy when society sets rules of the game and strictly enforces them.
“safeguarding on-line privacy;”
My opinion: I don’t want the government or anyone else prying into my personal business, and in that I think I’m about as conservative as they come.
“increasing adoption in all communities and ensuring fair access for people with disabilities;”
My opinion: This is similar to our need for roads in all communities as well as electricity and phone service. And of course we make sure this is accessible to the handicapped. Just ask any handicapped conservative how important that truly is.
“protecting broadband networks against cyber attack and other disasters;”
My opinion: I just heard on the radio that the next major war will definitely involve cyber attacks. I should hope we’re protected against that (and other disasters).
“and ensuring that all users can reach 911 in an emergency.”
My opinion: Except Kris, who doesn’t want it.
Really, all of you progressive-haters are cutting off your noses to spite your own faces. You have so much to be grateful for that sprang from progressive action. And I’ll be the first to say we have a whole bunch we need to thank true conservatives for. I’ll give you a list if you’d like.
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» on 04.10.10 @ 10:16 PM
Thats the difference, you want to control, we believe in independence. You see freedom as an illness we see it as a right. You see California as a success we see it as a failure. You see the Obama as a god we see him as a mere child born to Marxism. You see Obama as qualified, we see that when he walks into any room of leaders he is the least qualified. They do to and we will suffer for it. We want you to leave us be you can’t understand why we don’t want to surrencer to the collective. You are Stepford wives, even if you have the X chromosome. You are never happy, even when you “win”, we are at peace living our lives, until you really piss us off.
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» on 04.11.10 @ 04:13 AM
Yes Publius , it is hard to understand how this “whining banshee” was ever admitted to West Point. It is however easy to understand the posibility that “attending” West Point did not progress to “graduating” for him .
I have been told that the cost to taxpayers for each West Point graduate is in excess of $ 250,000. I guess that type of “socialism” is acceptable to Petry/“THURSTON” (same person).
Petry certainly doesnt mind starting fires, especially about Obama ” the boy” , yet he sure doesnt like it when his feet are held to that fire .
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» on 04.11.10 @ 09:24 AM
Defininitely penile envy. You have a history of never addressing the articles written just attacking the writers. Funny thing is that Petry really tweaks your ego. Hey how’s your wife, especially since you obviously ignore her for the love your keyboard gives you. OK these posts have now become boring. We have stated our positions all are predictable and nothing is resolved thats cool. I can’t wait till November. In the meantime enjoy your free health care, the free food stamps you obviously need, the new california taxes, the $5 per gallon gas coming courtesy of BO, and the happiness that you now feel for the child you have in office. Although I’m sure your wife will attest to the fact that you are never happy unless you are stroking your keyboard. Good article Danny keep em coming and dont worry about the death threats you get from small p and GeeWilly I can guarantee they have never served their country other than themselves. Bye.
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» on 04.11.10 @ 09:24 AM
Lets examine Cindy’s brilliant comeback…
“Thats the difference, you want to control, we believe in independence. You see freedom as an illness we see it as a right.”
What have any of us said here that could possibly be construed as an indication we want to control you or anyone else?
“You see California as a success we see it as a failure.”
I see California as a very big, very diverse place that’s trying to deal with inevitable change. I’ll take it any day over any number of states that feel wealth equates to power and so shortchange hardworking citizens and their children.
“You see the Obama as a god we see him as a mere child born to Marxism. You see Obama as qualified, we see that when he walks into any room of leaders he is the least qualified. They do to and we will suffer for it.”
The Obama? I’m quite pissed off at him myself right now, mostly for reasons that I thought would have endeared him to you. He’s continuing your expensive, fruitless wars, fighting to preserve the right to hold individuals without charge, giving in on true health care reform, etc. Hardly a god and by no means a Marxist. Tell me where you see Marxism in a policy he supports that wasn’t supported by a conservative president in the past.
“We want you to leave us be you can’t understand why we don’t want to surrencer to the collective. You are Stepford wives, even if you have the X chromosome. You are never happy, even when you “win”, we are at peace living our lives, until you really piss us off.”
This is where I truly feel like reporting you for abuse. You can’t make logical, coherent arguments so you resort to spittle-spewing rage and name-calling. I suspect that whatever’s gotten you so angry has actually been of your own doing. If you don’t think that’s so, please, share with us what you see as the true reasons for your outrage and tell us how you, personally, have been so adversely affected. Let’s deal with concrete issues, not vaporous tea party ranting. Seriously.
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» on 04.11.10 @ 11:10 AM
Kris - AHamilton,emptynewsroom,jonkwilliams,local,publius with a very small p, and GeeWiilikersWally (who seems to ignore his wife to have an affair with his keyboard) can’t leave you alone. They are bullies. Bullies always hide. In this case they hide behind made up names.
“Like most co-dependents, in their minds they need to control all that goes on around them. As Petry says it is in their nature. They need to be able to tell you what kind of healthcare you will have, what kind of car you will drive, who you will vote for, how you will raise your children, how much you will pay to make sure their projects get paid for, how much slavery your children will bow down too, how you will be taught and what you will be taught,do you get the picture? Humanity has always had tyrants these are just the current examples. Now YOU WILL STOP DISAGREEING WITH THEM. Or else your life will get threatened as Petrys has.”
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» on 04.11.10 @ 11:25 AM
Please do report me. In the mean time since it is my war I have called Odierno and McCrystal and told them to pack up and come on home. Ray asked where he’s supposed to place his combat trained troops. I told him to go ahead and close the border. We are going to call it the “Wetback Line”. No one comes across, if you are seen bringing drugs across I have given him orders to kill them. All vehicles going back into Mexico are searched any drug money or weapons found and the occupants are immediately imprisoned and the vehicle destroyed. No more Christmas time visits unless you have a US passport. So since it’s my war I have agreed and closed em down and brought them back to protect our border.
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» on 04.11.10 @ 01:44 PM
TO THE EDITOR & ALL NON-PETRYITES
There is an extensive “sock puppet” response to many posts in opposition to Petryrants . Case in point - jonkwilliams addresses “Cindy Rivers” directly when he says ” I feel like reporting you for abuse” . Who replies ? “Charlene Davis” with “go ahead and report me”. Wait… he was adressing “Cindy”. Hmmmm…. Also these two “women” are betrayed by the use of obvious male vernacular .
“RANDY THURSTON” can only found posting in response to criticism of Petry . You will not find “THURSTON” involved in any other discussion , anywhere else on Noozhawk . One of the many things that make “THURSTON” an easy sock puppet to spot is his point by point rebuttals and mirror arguments. Ask yourselves who does that?
Petry used to post frequently on the Indy . There he had a special little friend named “Perez” . When that tactic was exposed by a language specialist, Petry moved along and “Perez” disappeared forever.
It will become very obvious if readers pay attention .
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» on 04.11.10 @ 02:46 PM
GeeWill I’m still here. I like to comment on Dan’s stuff because I feel as he does. You spend so much time trying to shut him down it is amusing. Do you realize how many of you blatant idiots try to do that. That is what make his articles cool. He tweaks you so well. My sone says that calling someone a sock puppet comes from someone that is addicted to the internet and has no life. And we all know you are. Do you realize how many of us, that disagree with you small minded jerks are said to be Petry? Yep there is a Petry behind every wall. Kind of paranoid. Anyway your boys latest poll number are in and they aint good. The fastest decline of any President to date. Now at 48 percent and falling. His programs are stalling and falling flat because you have spent us into oblivion. Come november we are going to shut this HC crap down by first defunding it then re-doing it after we get a grownup in the WH. So stop wasting your time, and as Cahr says go reconnect with your wife. BTW my name is Randy Thurston and yours is? Get away from your keyboard and pay attention to your wife.
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» on 04.11.10 @ 03:00 PM
I couldnt resist it so I went over to that commie rag, held my nose, and did a search on Daniel Petry. Lo and behold he comments there fairly often. The last time was April 2, 2010 at 8:47 a.m. Wow, can you get that high falooten language expert to evaluate his comments? So easy to prove you people wrong it is almost no challenge at all. OK this comment thread is boring Petry has made his point and crushed you yet again.
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» on 04.11.10 @ 04:32 PM
One thing about so-called ‘citizen journalism’. Anyone, and I mean anyone, regardless of IQ, respect for the truth, or ability to argue logically, can ‘publish’. Under as many names as they want. (makes a great case for professional journalism had those folks at the New York Times, the LA Times (‘our job is to educate, not report’), Newsweek (‘we will no longer be a news magazine; our job is to interpret the news for our readers’) and Dan Rather not so tarnished the breed).
Noozhawk has taken steps to try to prevent that and some of the resulting complaints, I’d bet, were from those who like to publish under multiple names - Noozhawk has made this hard, but not impossible, to do. But anyone who has been reading these blogs for any period of time knows that the multi-poster can be either of the Left or the Right or the Nonsensical. So what’s your point, GeeWhil…
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» on 04.11.10 @ 04:57 PM
OMG now you are calling all of us sock puppets. My god you are so sad. I definitely think there is a job for you in the Obama administration. Get a life.
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» on 04.11.10 @ 09:12 PM
GeeWilli…
Thanks for the info! I did think there was a chance that “Cindy Rivers” was in fact Petry, only just pretending to be my mom. For one thing, the discussion of relative penis size didn’t seem like my mom, plus she would have guessed that “A” is a female name. But isn’t Noozhawk great! Where else could someone posing as my mom compare my penis size unfavorably to that of a local public figure (mom - it does get bigger when you grow up), and find space for it to be published in a discussion about the FCC? Damn I’m glad I left Wichita!
In light of all this, it’s interesting now to speculate about why Petry left West Point. Possibilities: 1) he graduated, but is too modest to say so 2) Cindy’s “he was raised by a pack of wolves and [went] on to found an empire” 3) he couldn’t hack it academically [unlikely, since he’s a good writer, unless it was math or chemistry that got him] or 4) he was tossed out for non-academic reasons [maybe the commies were already in charge of the military academies?]. Your whole sock-puppet scenario adds an interesting twist to our speculations.
In any case, I love it when he publishes stuff and I hope he keeps at it. Dan and GeeWillikersWally both - you have a big fan here!
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» on 04.11.10 @ 10:53 PM
I have been reading these comment and I have to say that a number of you seem to never talk about the written piece Instead you yell at the writter. I guess that is your way of not dealing with issues. I’m a retired CSM and I can tell you that boys like AHamilton and GeeWillikerswally are what we used to call remfs. more likely these turds have never put on a uniform in any of our services. Man the vile hatred you promote. Its a pity that you are representing obama because you are not doing him any favors. If I had respect for you I would say shame on you but you are just small minded cowards that get your anger and hate out by typing.
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» on 04.12.10 @ 11:11 AM
Dont worry guys we are working real hard to straighten things out. Support for repeal of health care plan Up To 58%. We will defund it, rewrite it and then it will work.
“Three weeks after Congress passed its new national health care plan, support for repeal of the measure has risen four points to 58%. That includes 50% of U.S. voters who strongly favor repeal.
A recent survey of likely voters nationwide finds 38% still oppose repeal, including 32% who strongly oppose it.”
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» on 04.12.10 @ 11:33 AM
Ah, the angry, bitter and always afraid right wing of American politics. Beck says the end is nigh. Limbaugh wails that we’re being over run by the bogymen. Hannity fears that the people may rise up and run roughshod over weak and helpless global corporations. Only the radical right’s heroic Australian media god Murdoch the Wise can soothe the hurt feelings of a class of people who no longer recognize or underhand the world that they live in. Why don’t we all just worship the Founding Fathers? Why can’t women and minorities be kept in their place like in the good ol’ days? If the progressive and liberals weren’t dragging us kicking and screaming into the 21st century, life would be so much simplier and more to our liking. Until then, wave signs and act indignant so the news media knows we’re serious! Ignore the lunatic fringe at your peril, you intellectual elitist normal people!
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» on 04.12.10 @ 03:16 PM
As Dan’s hero Ronald Reagan used to say “There you go again…”
Once again Dan cannon seem to present clear ideas or conduct a rational discourse. Everything to him is about conspiracy, threats and subterfuge. What he doesn’t realize is that it’s people like him that have done the damage to our country and ruin our “American exceptionalism” with their greedy, selfish “me first” culture.
Come back and see me what you’ve taken a Valium and can have a rational discussion like a man.
Until then, just remember, I’ve got my eyes on you, as YOU are the threat to OUR FREEDOM.
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» on 04.12.10 @ 05:50 PM
VoR, you accuse Dan of being unclear. How so? What is American exceptionalism to you, explain?
All I hear from you lefties, liberals and progressives is how we are not like Europe. First, why should we be like them? And why is there a difference? If your way of doing things is so wonderful and great, why are European leaders trying in vain to wean their adult adolescent population off mommy’s bosom? Why if their system of government control of the means of control and distribution of goods so bad at producing wealth for all even though we pick up their defense bill and provide a market for their insular protected industry? If it’s so damned great over there why do the smart ones there keep coming here? Why is their GDP falling faster than ours? Why does their economy need ours? Why aren’t we able to suck off their success like they do ours? Tell me you bird brain imbeciles why we should even pay attention to the uttering’s of a mindless infantile bunch of babies clamoring to get more burdensome responsibility pawned off on the public? Yes I mean you VoR, Publiuses, Empty, Willie and Local to name a few, and why can’t any of you geniuses ever answer my questions?
-You don’t know where wealth comes from.
-You don’t know how to make it.
-You have no sense of fair play, stealing from those who produce to give to those who won’t.
-You believe compassion should be forced by law on everyone whether they want to or not. Yet those who practice willing compassion from their heart and soul with no need for reciprocation are idiots and religious fanatics.
-You cry that paying for your own HC is too much yet someone
-You don’t know should pick up the tab.
-You think providing for the common defense and infrastructure is the same as socialism or “healthcare insurance”.
-You think having more healthcare insurance is the same as having more healthcare.
-You think freedom means freedom from responsibility, which is slavery and that freedom from government tyranny is the same as moving out of your parent’s house and living on your own, by your own means.
Given that, what the hell do you numb nuts actually bring to the table that is of any use to real human adults?
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» on 04.12.10 @ 06:13 PM
emptyhead, you are projecting your 60’s lefty looniness onto others. I haven’t read anyone talking about keeping women or minorities in their place or ‘worshipping’ the founding fathers. One must admit, however, that the ff’s designed a pretty good form of government that has stood up well over time. So far as “wave signs and act indignant”, why that’s a protest tactic learned from the 60’s. But then, of course, it was about saving the country from itself while now it’s “the lunatic fringe”? Pathetic….
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» on 04.12.10 @ 06:55 PM
It will come as a huge shock to you if you aren’t informed as to what Obama is up to, and apparently it has already passed one hurdle. It will take very little now to put it into actual law!! YOU’D BETTER WAKE UP AMERICA!! So you think you live in a free country, boy have you got a surprise coming.
A License Required for your HOUSE?
If you own your home you really need to check this out. At the end of this email is the Google link to verify. If the country thinks the housing market is depressed now, wait until everyone sees this; no one will be buying homes in the future.
We encourage you to read the provisions of the Cap and Trade Bill that has passed the House of Representatives and being considered by the Senate. We are ready to join the next march on Washington ! This Congress and whoever on their staffs that write this junk are truly out to destroy the middle class of the U.S.
A License will be required for your house…no longer just for cars and mobile homes….Thinking about selling your house. Take a look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and Trade bill). This is unbelievable! Only the beginning from this administration! Home owners take note & tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!
Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won’t be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. H.R. 2454, the “Cap & Trade” bill passed by the House of Representatives, if it is also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced.
The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. No one is excluded. However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure these voters get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. And Mrs. Middle Class have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else.
But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it. Probably the worst one is this: A year from now you won’t be able to sell your house. Yes, you read that right.
The caveat is (there always is a caveat) that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes (“mobile homes”) are included. In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator.
To get this permission,you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be forced to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements.
Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a “label” in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner. If you don’t get a high enough rating, you can’t sell.
And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act. The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the “American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009”) and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he/she alone determines to be in the government’s best interest. Requirements are set low initially so the bill will pass Congress; then the Administrator can set much tougher new standards every year.
The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings. However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time. Sect. 202 Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America.
Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won’t be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (I.e., ex$pen$ive) to meet in a few years. Oh, goody!
The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements IF you meet certain energy efficiency levels. But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants. You should expect requirements such as “can’t have an income of more than $50K per year”, “home selling price can’t be more than 125K”, or anything else to target the upper middle class (and that’s YOU) and prevent them from qualifying for the grants.
Most of us won’t get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets. More transfer of wealth, more “change you can believe in.” Sect. 204 Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for “at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act.”
This means that within 5 years 90% of all residential homes in the U.S. must be measured and labeled. The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program. The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help enforce the labeling program. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year…
Oh, the label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year.
But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time. Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California it would only cost $15.
That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate; a 333% increase. Expect the same from the home labeling program. Sect. 304 Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d) that 1 year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.
CHECK OUT Just a few of the sites;
Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home
http://www.nachi.org/forum/f14/cap-and-trade-license-required-your-home-44750
HR2454 American Clean Energy & Security Act:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2454
Cap & Trade A license required for your home:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/cap-and-trade-a-license-required-for-your-home.html
Cap and trade is a license to cheat and steal:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/columns/oped_contributors/Cap-and-trade-is-a-license-to-cheat-and-steal-45371937.html
Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2393940/posts
Thinking about selling you House? Look at HR 2454:
http://www.federalobserver.com/2009/10/01/thinking-about-selling-your-house-a-look-at-h-r-2454-cap-and-trade-bill
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» on 04.13.10 @ 09:00 AM
An50, it is hard to know where to start to answer your long list of comments. I will try to answer some of it. First of all, many of your statements are simply not true such as:
Europe’s GDP is falling faster than ours and all of the smart people come here. To generalize in such as way is to show how naive you are. There is a very large difference between various European countries such as Germany to Greece. Most fall between those extremes. Germany is the largest exporting nation and makes many quality products. Well you know the Greece story. I would argue that many aspects of European life are superior to ours and many are not. I believe their healthcare and education systems are superior in most countries because they have extracted the profit motive out of these industries and all citizens enjoy a certain basic level of health and education security. I have travelled extensively in Europe and have many smart and successful friends that live there so you are making a wrong observation. They receive 6 weeks off a year of paid vacation and make enough money where one parent can stay home with the children. This is how is was in America back in the 50s and 60s.
You are right that America is guilty time and again of not paying for things. However, the item that is consistently left out by many, especially the right, is how much the U.S. spends on its military. We outspend the next 20 countries combined and is overkill by any measure. Waste and no bid contracts account for billions. IF we were to reduce our military spending by just 20% we could make a significant impact on our debt. So if you are looking for savings let us start with the waste and overspending in our military industrial complex. I agree the social programs have lots of waste and fraud and need to be revised. We also need to change social security and medicare through benefits changes, age of eligility, means tests and contributions. Every year there is over $500 billion of taxes not collected that is owed the government. This needs to change and would close the deficit by 50%. People should pay what they owe and not cheat.
The U.S. enjoys the status as being the world’s reserve currency but this position has really created much of our problem. Being the reserve currency, unlike any other nation, we can and do simply print money and offer more debt to feed our overspending. We simply do not live within our means.
This reserve currency status, combined with our trade policies are a formula for disaster. NAFTA was a mistake and needs to be changed. We need to get some balls and deal with the Chinese on a variety of trade and currency issues.
I think where you and I disagree agree is how do we solve the problem of not earning what you need to support the basic infrastructure and what is the role of government. I believe that many of our recent problems have come from not enough oversight, regulation and visibility. I also believe that our country cannot survive when the spread of income and wealth between the haves and the have nots continues to widen. Many think that it is wrong that 50% of our citizens do not pay any federal income tax. I agree but I think you and I disagree as to why. I believe it is because they are underpaid and not provided a wage you can live at a descent standard of living. This then requires the government to subsidize their lives with tax breaks, food stamps etc. Take Walmart for example. Last year employees of Walmart due to their low compensation paid little or no taxes and in fact many received government help, even while working full time. So in effect, the govenment is subsidizing Walmart estimated at $4 billion. This is wrong. I think the remedy is to withdraw some government assistance while raising the minimum wage to a living wage. Right now if you do the math an individual working at minimum wage, full time, qualifies for an earned income tax refund and food stamps. If a living wage was implemented over time the government would save billions, there would be more spending money in low income consumer’s hands, more business revenue and profits over the long haul. Our economy would expand, all boats would rise.
By the way, I do know how to make money. I have and lots of it. I am a progressive and people with a point of view different to yours are not numb nuts or useless human adults. You are not always right or always wrong.
Right now tax payout rates by corporations and the wealthy are at a record low. Of course, no one would think that given the tea party protests. We tried lowering taxes on the wealthy for the past 9 years and look what it got us. Bankers need to be motivated to lend money to businesses again. Right now their financial incentives are much greater with credit card fees and interest rates as well as investment banking. That needs to change to get our economy flowing again.
Well An50, I tried to answer some of your comments.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 09:01 AM
Republicans and Right Wingers: Cry babies, chickens, liars.
Cry Babies: Can’t stand to see anyone else run the country, especially because Dems do a better job (ask any economist and stock broker), so they resort to name calling, hatred and threats of violence.
Chickens: Afraid of change, terrified of anyone not like them, petrified of facts and reality. GOP masters of instilling fear in voters with fake terrorist alerts.
Liars: Unwilling to hear opposing points of view, so they hide in the echo chamber of talk radio, Drudge Report, Fox News, National Review, etc. When facts don’t support their policies, eager to make up anything to help push forward their agenda.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 09:27 AM
AN50, don’t you see. There is no tangible or real “American exceptionalism” except in your mind. It’s our belief that we’re superior or different than other humans on the planet that create some of these crazy imperialistic ideas you guys seem to believe in.
And to everyone, BOTH political parties want to control, regulate or limit your freedom and independence - just with different items. If you’re a Democrat you want to regulate guns, just to name one item. And if you’re a Republican you want to regulate abortion and tap your private conversations as another example.
I support freedoms across the board and think our country has gotten away from what the founding fathers intended.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 09:32 AM
This guy obama is a total idiot! What an inexperienced, egotistic, clueless, ideological child we now have in the white house. Bows to Chinese communists, uses his fingers or fist to tap (immaturely trying to intimidate) world leaders in the chest. Gets out played by the Soviets. But of course you obama zombies think this is cool. What a joke.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 10:12 AM
Local and Voice of Reason: Bravo. Well said and all true. At least us progressives and centrists are actually informed and have a world view capable of seeing beyond nationalistic irrationality. Righties with any interest at all in FACTS about the U.S. and our place in the world might learn something from this: http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Kris: If you were a student of history you would know that President Obama’s treaty with the Soviets is very similar to that of your living God Ronald Reagan: 30% unilateral reduction, “first step toward a nuclear-free world”, etc. Just pretend Obama is an old white guy and you’ll start to see things differently.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 10:18 AM
Here we go all you HC lovers. I really hope you enjoy your new Obamacare reality. The new health care overhaul law, which promised increased access and efficiency in health care, will prevent doctor-owned hospitals from adding more rooms and more beds.
The rules fall under Title VI, Section 6001 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - WHAT A FRIGGING JOKE OF A NAME. The provision is titled “Physician Ownership and Other Transparency – Limitations on Medicare Exceptions to the Prohibition on Certain Physician Referral for Hospitals.” Huh!!?
More than 60 doctor-owned hospitals across the country that were in the development stage have now been cancelled.
I certainly hope that one day soon you idiots get to enjoy what you have promoted. I want to see what happens when you go to your doctor and tell him something is wrong, he agrees but he has to check with the committee to see if he is authorized to handle your condition. When he says no I can’t wait to see you screaming from the roof tops and in Noozhawk that the system is broken, and you want to be treated now!! Just remember that Obama supporters and those dems that voted for this bill actually want people to die and you would be reaping what you sowed. I love it.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 10:39 AM
Tyranny has found a home in America! I’ve been studying a great deal about progressivism. Obama is patterning his presidency after those of Woodrow Wilson and FDR. Both were radical socialist/facist progressives. Hitler and Mussolini were both socialists but of a nationalist bent. American progressiveWilson established the first fascist dictatorship of the 20th century, with 175,000 political prisoners and 250,000 Gestapo agents in his APL in 600 cities. They shut down dozens of newspapers and magazines by refusing them paper to print on or delivery of their products. Americans must recognize that progressivism is not only incompatible with our Constitution, personal liberty, and Christianity. It is the enemy of all three! In progressivism, there are NO individual rights. Only the “collective” has rights. If progressivism wins out, freedom will be GONE from America for at least a generation. Americans must stand up and work for their freedom or suffer tyranny for many years to come!
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» on 04.13.10 @ 10:47 AM
Charlene Davis: Of course you’re right, this legislation is far too weak to create a real national system. The health care reform this nation needs so badly ($14,000 PER YEAR in insurance premiums for a family of four?!?) is “universal, single payer” health care. Remember this term because when you call your elected representatives later today these are the exact words you should use. And don’t give up on Republican politicans lucky enough to still be in office after last year’s bloodbath - they’ll support it if enough pressure is put on them about being paid off by the insurance industry lobby.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 11:02 AM
Great point Ray. But let’s not forget the progressives god FDR. What was it his administration said?
“I’m for catching every Japanese in America, Alaska, and Hawaii now and putting them in concentration camps.. . .Damn them! Let’s get rid of them now!” Congressional Record, Feb.19,1942.
110,000 American citizens taken to squalid concentration camps.
Kind of sounds like local, Voice of Reason (joke), WeWilly and small p doesn’t it. Just change the words to read, “I’m for catching every republican and conservative in America, Alaska, and Hawaii now and putting them in concentration camps.. . .Damn them! Let’s get rid of them now!”
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» on 04.13.10 @ 11:28 AM
Kris,Charlene and Ray, here I tried to respond to An50 and your next comments are a series of ramblings about socialism capped off with some rant about how progressives want to put all Republicans and Conservatives in prison. Do some research on Reagan and his explodes and you will find that in Latin and South America his administration did many things that are un-American and non of us would be proud of. “They are out to get me” mindset is not constructive and only serves to demonstrate your shallow approach to resolving issues.
We spent 8 years spending like a drunken sailor under Bush and the policies that you are advocating. Please try to put on your thinking cap, research issues and come up with constructive ideas as An50 does versus this scarey, screaming bullying approach that will do nothing to advance any solutions. We can agree do disagree but please let us have a civil approach to tackling issues.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 11:38 AM
These righties DIDN’T worry about the unelected fascist dictatorship of George W. Bush (hand picked by George Shultz http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/site_packages/ss_privatization/3203_shultz.html)and Dick Cheney, a Nixon henchman and Dr. Evil incarnate (http://www.democrats.com/cheneys-evil-career), both corporate-owned oilmen and yet they think President Obama is going to put them all in internment camps? Glenn Beck is like catnip to your diseased brains, isn’t he?
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» on 04.13.10 @ 01:05 PM
Yea Nixon put 100’s of thousands of AMERICANS in concentration camps. That’s not even a good attempt at spin it is ignorantly pathetic. Anyway you Dems had a Filibuster proof Senate, controlled the House, and the Obama orchestrated this whole debacle. HOW CAN YOU BLAME REPUBLICANS FOR THE FAILURE OF OBAMA AND THE DEMS?
We have people going to Doctors the day after Obama signed the bill expecting free care. Now we have the ultra-liberal water-carriers at the LA Times admitting that Healthcare costs will NOT decrease. The LAT promised it would lower cost. LIARS.
What’s next? A story of the 60 (soon to be more) Hospitals that WON’T be built because of this bill? Yea right! Or maybe now we will hear about Doctors leaving a field that is undermanned? Yea right. No we can’t have the truth be told by any Marxist flack and that includes you flamers commenting. Its all about control. Always has been with these bottom feeders.
Remember it’s all the insurance companies fault! All evidence to the contrary. Funny how liberals can always find an administration at fault, unless they run the Government. Suddenly it’s perfect. Again, all evidence to the contrary.
Maybe liberals are correct when they say that we are too stupid to run our own lives? If we are so easily fooled by this bill, then maybe we do need them to manage our lives? Wait, 60% opposed this bill! Guess we are not so stupid after all.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 02:10 PM
Ok Charlene, it is time to calm down and use some facts. Let us start with your statement regarding the health insurance companies. Please provide us with all of your facts and evidence that supports your claim that they are not at fault or part of the problem. Now please do not answer with your usual rage and rant, just facts and information to support your claim. When I review the insurance companies, I see over $4 billion last year extracted from providing healthcare. Please enlighten us since you claim to so much more brillant and informed than any progressive could ever be.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 02:46 PM
And Charlene I would argue that the U.S. is alot better off since Obama took office.
We have gone from losing 700K jobs per month to gaining 100k per month
The stock market is up from a dow of 6200 to 11000. This helps retirement funds, investors, capital, pension plans and college endowments.
There is alot more funds available for college loans and Pell Grants
Federal funds are now allocated towards stem cell research
The troops are withdrawing from Iraq
We now put all military expenses on budget and account for them
Millions of poor children now have access to basic healthcare (SCHIP)
We have significantly increased funding for R and D on alternative energy
We are starting to repair our infrastructure
We have passed legislation that increases the gas mileage requirement on motor vehicles
We have signed a nuclear pact with Russia to contain loose nuclear material
A jobs bill was passed that adds tax incentives to small business
We have passed a healthcare plan. It does have issues but it also has some very positive aspects such as no denial due to preexisting conditions, allowing a dependant on the policy until the age of 26, no life cap, emphasis on preventive care and funds for college education for more nurses and doctors.
These are a few positive things that Obama and his administration have done. It does take a long while to reverse 8 years of disasterous policies.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 04:06 PM
Wow Mr. Nanny State where do I begin. Now take you meds and try to come back to reality. The comment thread is about how you and your ilk are participating in destroying my freedom with your massive rules, regulations, new taxes, new programs, expanded government. With that in mind let me ID those programs you listed that are doing just that. This will be shorthand to help you comprehend.
And Charlene I would argue that the U.S. is alot better off since Obama took office. Really? So you admit that you are a native of Alice in Obamaland.
We have gone from losing 700K jobs per month to gaining 100k per month. Primarily government sector. BIGGER GOVERNMENT
There is alot more funds available for college loans and Pell Grants. Nationalized an entire industry putting 30,000+ out of work. BIGGER GOVERNMENT.
Federal funds are now allocated towards stem cell research. BIGGER GOVERNMENT
The troops are withdrawing from Iraq. That was the strategy before “The One” took office.
We now put all military expenses on budget and account for them. Hilariously laughing here. You are on drugs.
Millions of poor children now have access to basic healthcare (SCHIP) BIGGER GOVERNMENT
We have significantly increased funding for R and D on alternative energy. B.S. BIGGER GOVERNMENT
We are starting to repair our infrastructure. B.S. BIGGER GOVERNMENT
We have passed legislation that increases the gas mileage requirement on motor vehicles. BIGGER GOVERNMENT
We have signed a nuclear pact with Russia to contain loose nuclear material. Senate will not ratify because it does not allow us to modernize. The One was sandbagged by pros.
A jobs bill was passed that adds tax incentives to small business. Total B.S. BIGGER GOVERNMENT
We have passed a healthcare plan. It does have issues but it also has some very positive aspects such as no denial due to preexisting conditions, allowing a dependent on the policy until the age of 26, no life cap, emphasis on preventive care and funds for college education for more nurses and doctors. BIGGER GOVERNMENT
These are a few negative things that Obama and his administration have done. It does take a long while to reverse 8 years of disasterous policies. But only 18 months to quadruple the deficit and bankrupt the country. Priceless.
Now here is some reality.
The $3.8 trillion budget request rolled out by the White House would renew the Making Work Pay tax credit for fiscal 2011, but then would have it sunset. Keep in mind that ANYTHING Obama or you say has an expiration time stamp on it. Lo and behold. That’s a switch from last year, when Obama’s budget called for making the tax credit permanent. So much for no middle class taxes. Then there are the excise taxes he promised to not enact. He did. LIAR.
In March of last year Obama was on “60 Minutes” with Steve Kroft. Throughout the interview as Kroft questioned about the economic downturn and people losing their life savings, Obama just kept laughing. A one point CBS’s Kroft stopped him and asked, “Are you punch drunk?” How will the American people react to seeing their president laugh off their predicament? Obama’s inappropriate laughter clearly demonstrated he has lost touch with the pain that people are feeling.
Obama portrays himself as the larger-than-life figure towering above the political fray. At the summit when Obama was pushing his health care package through Congress, he attempted to act as if he were the chief arbiter of truth. With petty insults, he slapped down what the Republicans proposed and audaciously claimed his was a “bipartisan bill.” Obama distorts the truth with such frequency that one must start to question if Obama even realizes he is lying or is so disassociated from the truth that he believes what he says.
A further example of Obama’s delusions of grandeur occurred when he gave himself a “good solid B plus.” Believing that his presidency was an above average success when America is hurting is absurd. Obama went so far as to claim that he would give himself an “A” once health care was passed. Obama is not living in the same reality as the rest of us.
A recent column said it best, “Not that Obama considers himself divine. He sees himself as merely messianic, or, at worst, apostolic. But he does position himself as hovering above mere mortals, mere country, to gaze benignly upon the darkling plain beneath him where ignorant armies clash by night, blind to the common humanity that only he can see.”
Obama sees himself as the greatest man to be president in all time. He truly believes it when he said “we are the ones we have been waiting for,” and “this is the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and the planet began to heal.” He believes that he can do anything he pleases and the people will love him for it. Obama plans to radically transform this country and go down in history as, in his mind, the greatest ever. Obama is clearly disconnected from reality.
Unfortunately you are too.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 04:58 PM
Charlene didn’t you know that when you point out BOs flaws you are ranting and raving. Here are some facts for the four mouseketeers. BOs long list of broken promises.
Basically this guy, and his supporters, are bald faced liars. How’s this for hope and change?
HEALTH-CARE MANDATES
STATEMENT: “We’ve got a philosophical difference, which we’ve debated repeatedly, and that is that Senator Clinton believes the only way to achieve universal health care is to force everybody to purchase it. And my belief is, the reason that people don’t have it is not because they don’t want it but because they can’t afford it.” Barack Obama, speaking at a Democratic presidential debate, February 21, 2008.
EXPIRATION DATE: On March 23, 2010, Obama signed the individual mandate into law.
HEALTH-CARE NEGOTIATIONS ON C-SPAN
STATEMENT: “These negotiations will be on C-SPAN, and so the public will be part of the conversation and will see the decisions that are being made.” January 20, 2008, and seven other times.
EXPIRATION DATE: Throughout the summer, fall, and winter of 2009 and 2010; when John McCain asked about it during the health-care summit February 26, Obama dismissed the issue by declaring, “the campaign is over, John.”
RAISING TAXES
STATEMENT: “No family making less than $250,000 will see any form of tax increase.” (multiple times on the campaign trail)
EXPIRATION DATE: Broken multiple times, including the raised taxes on tobacco, a new tax on indoor tanning salons, but most prominently on February 11, 2010: “President Barack Obama said he is ‘agnostic’ about raising taxes on households making less than $250,000 as part of a broad effort to rein in the budget deficit.”
RECESS APPOINTMENTS
STATEMENT: Then-senator Obama declared that a recess appointment is “damaged goods” and has “less credibility” than a normal appointment. August 25, 2005.
EXPIRATION DATE: March 27, 2010: “If, in the interest of scoring political points, Republicans in the Senate refuse to exercise that responsibility, I must act in the interest of the American people and exercise my authority to fill these positions on an interim basis.”
BORDER SECURITY
STATEMENT: “We need tougher border security, and a renewed focus on busting up gangs and traffickers crossing our border. . . . That begins at home, with comprehensive immigration reform. That means securing our border and passing tough employer enforcement laws.” Then-candidate Obama, discussing the need for border security, speaking in Miami on May 23, 2008.
EXPIRATION DATE: March 17, 2010: The Obama administration halted new work on a “virtual fence” on the U.S.-Mexican border, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano announced Tuesday, diverting $50 million in planned economic stimulus funds for the project to other purposes.
GUANTANAMO BAY
STATEMENT: Executive order stating, “The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than one year from the date of this order.” January 22, 2009.
EXPIRATION DATE: November 19, 2009: “Guantánamo, we had a specific deadline that was missed.”
MILITARY TRIBUNALS
STATEMENT: “Somebody like Khalid Sheik Mohammad is gonna get basically, a full military trial with all the bells and whistles.” September 27, 2006
EXPIRATION DATE: Ongoing. “President Obama is planning to insert himself into the debate about where to try the accused mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, three administration officials said Thursday, signaling a recognition that the administration had mishandled the process and triggered a political backlash. Obama initially had asked Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to choose the site of the trial in an effort to maintain an independent Justice Department. But the White House has been taken aback by the intense criticism from political opponents and local officials of Holder’s decision to try Khalid Sheik Mohammed in a civilian courtroom in New York.”
RECOVERY.GOV
STATEMENT: “We will launch a sweeping effort to root out waste, inefficiency, and unnecessary spending in our government, and every American will be able to see how and where we spend taxpayer dollars by going to a new website called recovery.gov.” — President Obama, January 28, 2009
EXPIRATION DATE: “More than two months after some of the funds were released, [Recovery.gov] offers little detail on where the money is going . . . The government [spent] $84 million on a website that doesn’t have a search function, when its purpose is to ‘root out waste, inefficiency, and unnecessary spending in our government.’” April 2, 2009
These from just his first 100 days:
“As President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide.”
“I will make sure that we renegotiate [NAFTA].”
Opposed a Colombian Free Trade Agreement because advocates ignore that “labor leaders have been targeted for assassination on a fairly consistent basis.”
“Now, what I’ve done throughout this campaign is to propose a net spending cut.”
“If we see money being misspent, we’re going to put a stop to it, and we will call it out and we will publicize it.”
“Yesterday, Jim, the head of Caterpillar, said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off.”
“I want to go line by line through every item in the Federal budget and eliminate programs that don’t work, and make sure that those that do work work better and cheaper.”
“[My plan] will not help speculators who took risky bets on a rising market and bought homes not to live in but to sell.”
“Instead of allowing lobbyists to slip big corporate tax breaks into bills during the dead of night, we will make sure every single tax break and earmark is available to every American online.”
“We can no longer accept a process that doles out earmarks based on a member of Congress’s seniority, rather than the merit of the project.”
“If your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime.”
“Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe the United States has to be frank with the Chinese about such failings and will press them to respect human rights.”
“Lobbyists won’t work in my White House!”
“The real gamble in this election is playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expecting a different result.”
“Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.” Obama is 1-for-11 on this promise so far.
A special one on the 100th day, “The first thing I’d do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That’s the first thing I’d do.”
And a list from of promises that expired during the campaign:
IRAQ
STATEMENT: “Based on the conversations we’ve had internally as well as external reports, we believe that you can get one to two brigades out a month. At that pace, the forces would be out in approximately 16 months from the time that we began. That would be the time frame that I would be setting up,” Obama to the New York Times, November 1, 2007
EXPIRATION DATE: March 7, 2008: Obama foreign policy adviser Samantha Power, to the BBC: “You can’t make a commitment in whatever month we’re in now, in March of 2008 about what circumstances are gonna be like in Jan. 2009. We can’t even tell what Bush is up to in terms of troop pauses and so forth. He will of course not rely upon some plan that [Obama has] crafted as a presidential candidate or as a US senator.”
Also: July 3, 2008: “My 16-month timeline, if you examine everything I’ve said, was always premised on making sure our troops were safe,” Obama told reporters as his campaign plane landed in North Dakota. “And my guiding approach continues to be that we’ve got to make sure that our troops are safe, and that Iraq is stable. And I’m going to continue to gather information to find out whether those conditions still hold.”
STATEMENT: On June 14, Obama foreign-policy adviser Susan Rice called the RNC’s argument that Obama needed to go to Iraq to get a firsthand look “complete garbage.”
EXPIRATION DATE: On June 16, Obama announced he would go to Iraq and Afghanistan “so he can see first hand the progress of the wars he would inherit if he’s elected president.”
DEBATES
STATEMENT: May 16, 2008: “If John McCain wants to meet me, anywhere, anytime to have a debate about our respective policies in Iraq, Iran, the Middle East or around the world, that is a conversation I’m happy to have.”
EXPIRATION DATE: June 13, 2008: Obama campaign manager David Plouffe: “Barack Obama offered to meet John McCain at five joint appearances between now and Election Day — the three traditional debates plus a joint town hall on the economy in July [on the Fourth of July] and an in-depth debate on foreign policy in August.”
IRAN
STATEMENT: “We can, then, more effectively deal with what I consider to be one of the greatest threats to the United States, to Israel, and world peace, and that is Iran,” Obama speaking to American Israel Public Affairs Committee in Chicago, March 5, 2007
EXPIRATION DATE: “Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, these countries are tiny . . . They don’t pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us.” – May 20, 2008
STATEMENT: Question at the YouTube debate, as the video depicted leaders of the countries, including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: “Would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea?”
“I would,” Obama answered. July 27, 2007
EXPIRATION DATE: May 10, 2008: Susan E. Rice, a former State Department and National Security Council official who is a foreign-policy adviser to the Democratic candidate: “But nobody said he would initiate contacts at the presidential level; that requires due preparation and advance work.”
JEREMIAH WRIGHT/TRINITY UNITED
STATEMENT: “I could no more disown Jeremiah Wright than I could disown my own grandmother.”
—Barack Obama, March 18, 2008
EXPIRATION DATE: on April 28, 2008, Obama cut all ties to Wright, declaring, “Based on his remarks yesterday, well, I may not know him as well as I thought.”
STATEMENT: Obama said on March 18, 2008, that his church, Trinity United, “embodies the black community in its entirety” and was being caricatured.
EXPIRATION DATE: On May 31, 2008, Obama resigned his membership at Trinity United Church.
JIM JOHNSON
STATEMENT: Criticism of running-mate vetter Jim Johnson’s loan from Countrywide was “a game” and that his vice-presidential vetting team “aren’t folks who are working for me.” June 10, 2008
EXPIRATION DATE: June 11, 2008, when Obama accepted Johnson’s resignation.
FISA
STATEMENT: Obama spokesman Bill Burton on October 24, 2007: “To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies.”
EXPIRATION DATE: June 20, 2008: “Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as president, I will carefully monitor the program.”
NUCLEAR ENERGY
STATEMENT: “I am not a nuclear energy proponent.” Barack Obama, December 30, 2007
EXPIRATION DATE: The above statement actually was the expiration date for his previous position, “I actually think we should explore nuclear power as part of the energy mix,” expressed on July 23, 2007; the above statement expired when he told Democratic governors he thought it is “worth investigating its further development” on June 20, 2008.
NAFTA
STATEMENT: Tim Russert:: “Senator Obama . . . Simple question: Will you, as president, say to Canada and Mexico, ‘This has not worked for us; we are out’?”
Obama: “I will make sure that we renegotiate, in the same way that Senator Clinton talked about. And I think actually Senator Clinton’s answer on this one is right. I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage to ensure that we actually get labor and environmental standards that are enforced. And that is not what has been happening so far.” February 23, 2008
EXPIRATION DATE: June 18, 2008, Fortune magazine: “‘Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified,’ he conceded, after I reminded him that he had called NAFTA ‘devastating’ and ‘a big mistake,’ despite nonpartisan studies concluding that the trade zone has had a mild, positive effect on the U.S. economy.
“Does that mean his rhetoric was overheated and amplified? ‘Politicians are always guilty of that, and I don’t exempt myself,’ he answered.
“‘I’m not a big believer in doing things unilaterally,’ Obama said. ‘I’m a big believer in opening up a dialogue and figuring out how we can make this work for all people.’”
PUBLIC FINANCING
STATEMENT: “If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.” Also, a Common Cause questionnaire dated November 27, 2007, asked “If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system?”, Obama checked, “Yes.”
EXPIRATION DATE: June 19, 2008: Obama announced he would not participate in the presidential public financing system.
WORKING OUT A DEAL ON PUBLIC FINANCING
STATEMENT: “What I’ve said is, at the point where I’m the nominee, at the point where it’s appropriate, I will sit down with John McCain and make sure that we have a system that works for everybody.”Obama to Tim Russert, Febuary 27.
EXPIRATION DATE: When Obama announced his decision to break his public-financing pledge on June 19, no meeting between the Democratic nominee and McCain had occurred.
WELFARE REFORM
STATEMENT: “I probably would not have supported the federal legislation [to overhaul welfare], because I think it had some problems.” Obama on the floor of the Illinois Senate, May 31, 1997
EXPIRATION DATE: April 11, 2008: Asked if he would have vetoed the 1996 law, Mr. Obama said, “I won’t second guess President Clinton for signing” it. Obama to the New York Times.
GAY MARRIAGE
STATEMENT: “Barack Obama has always believed that same-sex couples should enjoy equal rights under the law, and he will continue to fight for civil unions as president. He respects the decision of the California Supreme Court, and continues to believe that states should make their own decisions when it comes to the issue of marriage.” — campaign spokesman, May 5, 2008
EXPIRATION DATE: June 29, 2008: “I oppose the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution, and similar efforts to amend the U.S. Constitution or those of other states . . . Finally, I want to congratulate all of you who have shown your love for each other by getting married these last few weeks.” — letter to the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club
PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTION
STATEMENT: “Now, I don’t think that ‘mental distress’ qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term.” – interview with Relevant magazine, July 1, 2008
EXPIRATION DATE: July 5, 2008: “My only point is that in an area like partial-birth abortion having a mental, having a health exception can be defined rigorously. It can be defined through physical health, It can be defined by serious clinical mental-health diseases.” — statement to reporters.
DIVISION OF JERUSALEM
STATEMENT: “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided.” — speech before AIPAC, June 4, 2008
EXPIRATION DATE: June 6, 2008: “Jerusalem is a final-status issue, which means it has to be negotiated between the two parties” as part of “an agreement that they both can live with.” — an Obama adviser clarifying his remarks to the Jerusalem Post.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 07:30 PM
Charlene and Randy you are both clearly a lost cause. Charlene you label everything as BIG GOVERNMENT. Well unfortunately you need governement as a check and balance against crime and overreaching and greed. You think you would have learned that lesson by now, especially after the Bush Administration. You think we are overregulated and I think lack of regulation and enforcement of existing laws has directly caused this past deep recession. Please try to avoid BIG Government in your daily routine by not driving on the roads, making a phone call, sending your children to school, mailing a letter, accepting medicare or taking perscription drugs just to name a few. So your freedom is being attacked by Obama, the socialist. I particularly enjoyed your BIG Government excuse for the new student loan program. The new program simply removes the middle man, the private sector, saves billions, provides more loans to students at lower interest rates and more grants. A win for the taxpayers and for students.
Charlene, please provide a real world example as to how your individual freedom has been directly impacted by Obama. I cannot wait for that rant.
As for Randy, cut in paste is your expertise. Yes Obama has not done everything he promised to do in the timeframe he committed to. Some reasons are the GOP obstructin program and some are due to him simply using his brain, reviewing information and be big enough to change his policy or mind when it is appropriate. That is refreshing and something our previous mental midget President was not capable of. Randy most of your rant is a summary of how you feel about Obama. You clearly dislike the man and confuse your feelings with his policies and programs. You think he is an arrogant elite person and I do not. I think you misread him and will never give him a fair chance due to your feelings about him. I sincerely believe he is trying to do the right thing for America and you do not.
We live in a society that is a hybrid of the public and private sector of capitalisme and regulation. We disagree on the proper mix of each. I know that unbridled capitalism in its puriest form is great but unfortunately many individuals are greedy and do the wrong thing. That is where the role of government comes in to maintain a balance between profits, life style, quality of life, safety, health, education etc.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 08:31 PM
Here is my rant. You are a sad man who does not recognize freedoms lost so why point them out you would deny them anyway. To you the government is the answer to all (it is your master - your nanny - you suckle from its nipples and depend on it for your life, to me it is the answer to nothing. Stay out of my life. But you can’t do that can you. Like any addict you have to control what your neighbor is doing you have to have me pay for your wants and needs. You blame others for your weaknesses. You think I’m a lost cause and I think the same of you so yelling back at me is pointless unless your life is so boring that you have nothing else to do but shout in the wind. As for Randys quotes which one of them is incorrect? You wont answer that because you can’t. Case closed. Bye loser.
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» on 04.13.10 @ 10:24 PM
Well I don’t know if you will say it but I don’t like the man, his policies, the people he has around him, the people he brings to our capital, what he is trying to do, and the people that support him. Is that clear enough.
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» on 04.14.10 @ 12:19 AM
You guys are still slogging through the muck here? I thought I was the one who spent too much time @ the keyboard ?!? Geesh if I have a keyboard widow , ” Thurston” must have a whole orphanage .Hope you righties don’t expect to convert too many to your ” hate da gub- ment” cult cause it ain’t gonna happen here.
You gave us S.E.C. (gub-ment) emasculation under your hand picked , failed baseball team owner excuse for a President. The resultant laxity was a major factor leading to where we are now .“Kill da gub-ment” didn’t work so good there did it?
You almost gave us Palin a heartbeat away from the top . Maybe you rightwingwhacks should study up on Wasilla’s debt before and after she was mayor there . Fiscal governing was not her strong point, you might say . That was just for starters . Maybe instead of ” whining like banshees” here , you should study up on the debt she saddled Alaska with before she quit. Her case is but one of many examples of right wing hypocrisy and complete inability to govern .
You righties have been wrong at every turn for years and your credibility has vanished .
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» on 04.14.10 @ 07:24 AM
Charlene, I am still waiting for any example as to how your freedom has been impacted by Obama. Go for it or withdraw the claim. You probably also think Obama was not born in Hawaii and that the Healthcare Plan created a death panel. I know that you think everything the governement does is wrong and not constructive, except the military, but that is simply not the case. Yes there are extreme inefficiencies that need to be addressed but without government in your daily life you would be in a lot worse shape. A good example of no government and maximized privatization is Haiti. Look how well they responded to the earthquake without fire, police, security, or any infrastructure.
I never claimed that Randy’s quotes were inaccurate. What I claimed is that he was correct and in some cases the reason Obama was not able to follow through had to do with obstruction or the fact that he consulted others, the facts and information had changed and he took a different course. You can take any candidate from both parties do exactly what he did.
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» on 04.14.10 @ 07:27 AM
This article didn’t even attempt, not even remotely try to have a single grain of integrity to explain what net neutrality is. Regurgitating it as an “omfg secret commie conspiracy!!!1” because Glenn Beck just had a show calling it Maoism only shows the author is a hack who needs an unfounded panic on Fox News by Americans For Prosperity to do his talking points for him. Fail elsewhere.
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» on 04.14.10 @ 09:18 AM
Which one of his quotes are incorrect? You have some idiot named local screaming about showing him what freedoms have been lost when it is so obvious that he does not know what freedom is. Charlene and all the others showed you exactly how your freedom is disappearing. Look the one thing that you guys refuse to understand is that we are not going to change our minds and you are not going to change yours a true civil war. Guess we will decide in novemeber and 2012. None to soon.
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» on 04.14.10 @ 09:55 AM
Ron Paul - could he be the last intelligent, rational Republican? Although I think some of his Libertarian beliefs go too far (elimination of government to the point of near anarchy) he makes far more sense and has tons more credibility than any of the current GOP leadership or the righties that spew their fear-based nonsense on this forum. Read some real insight and learn: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0410/ron-paul-chastises-gop-conference-conservatives-like-empire/
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» on 04.14.10 @ 10:06 AM
Charlene talking to these ideological zoombies is like Dawn of the Dead. How sad that they do not understand. None are so blind as those who think licking Obama’s heels is the height of societal virtue. Individuals are not free to do what they want and can only do what they are restricted to do by the all powerful government. There’s too much freedom out there.
Remember Benjamin Franklin’s adage, “People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.”
Being free means having the opportunity to work hard in order to earn the money and personal property necessary to reach one’s potential and goals. Additionally, unless one has the power to decide how he can use the fruits of his labors to realize his dreams, one cannot pursue his happiness, and thus, is not free.
For instance, you are young and don’t want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the privilege.
or
You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer.
I could go on and on. And don’t even friggin bring up Bush, he was as bad as Obama is. This is not a dem/repub thing.
So, being the fine upstanding liberal beacon of civil liberty when you ask me what freedoms I have lost under Obama, I just look you in the eye and say, you wouldn’t understand. It’s an American thing.
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» on 04.14.10 @ 10:21 AM
Yes, America, the “land of the free”. Only when it comes to “freedom of the press” we rank well below most other industrialized nations. Journalistic standards? Well, pretty poor too in terms of unbiased truth and actually investigating government and business. Elections, the right to vote! Sorry, there were huge “irregularities” in the 2000 and 2004 general elections and its more than likely an unelected president ruled the country for 8 years. How about freedom from worrying about air, water and food quality? In the interests of big business profits, the food supply is subject to poor inspection standards and poisons like bovine growth hormones and unsafe artificial sweeteners are routinely allowed on the market here and denied in most other countries. Freedom from want? Poverty levels higher than most other “modern nations”.
Now, freedom from connecting reality and understanding the real problems facing us - THAT we’ve got in spades!
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» on 04.14.10 @ 10:43 AM
Like you said Kris. Dawn of the Dead. Blah, blah, blah. Doesn’t look like this man has a job. No wonder he wants all the freebies.
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» on 04.14.10 @ 11:20 AM
That’s right Cindy, attack the messenger. Its one of the right wing’s more effective ways to keep their head in the sand. If the “freedoms lost” I just noted don’t bother you, you’re not much of a Constitutionalist at all it turns out. Oh, that’s right, everything’s perfect (except anything not within your narrow and unrealistic worldview).
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» on 04.14.10 @ 12:17 PM
And blah.
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» on 04.14.10 @ 12:30 PM
Great retort, Cindy. My appreciation for the intelligence of the Tea Party crowd is growing with each of your infantile utterances. Blah, blah, blah, indeed.
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» on 04.14.10 @ 01:40 PM
There’s no one quite so irrationally furious as a liberal whose beliefs are questioned. Unfortunately the Ridiculous Right is behaving almost as badly recently as the Looney Left has done for years. What we need is for the Civil Centrists to take over the discussion. After all, polls repeatedly show that both the RR and the LL are in the minority and that the vast majority of the country is mildly right of center and not pleased with the loud and insulting style of much of today’s public debate.
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» on 04.14.10 @ 03:01 PM
Mainstream Media Myth Alert: Every time the statement is made that America is a “right of center” nation it is said without proof of any kind. While roughly 25% of voters reliably are hardcore Republican, clearly the percentage of independents and swing voters make it impossible that just “over half” the nation is right-of-center. Furthermore, poll after poll asking generally non-partisan questions on the environment, health care, public education, foreign aid, social services, mass transit and other public policy issues demonstrates that a majority of Americans have a “progressive” or slightly left-of-center orientation. Exceptions to this MIGHT be gun control and abortion which in some geographic areas are solidly right of center. Otherwise, not surprisingly, the U.S. is a modern, progressive and relatively enlighted society which has been trending to moderate left ever since the early 1960s. We’re not as conservative (or as stupid) as some segements of the population might like to believe.
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» on 04.14.10 @ 04:23 PM
I agree John Locke.
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» on 04.14.10 @ 04:27 PM
Hey Petry. Are you related to David Petry? He’s quite a good writer and has a very interesting blog about historic Santa Barbara: http://www.decomposingsb.com/?page_id=2
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» on 04.14.10 @ 06:16 PM
As “Cindy Rivers” is fond of pointing out , I do indeed spend too much time at the keyboard . I decided to do a little study to use as a guage as I try to cut back on keyboard time . Here are the results of my study:
STUDY OF COMMENTS HERE ON LATEST PETRYRANT-CINDY VS.GEEWILLY
1.Cindy - 9 comments /575 words
2.GeeWilly - 4 comments /404 words .
Well looks like Cindy comes in ahead of me . Congratulations!
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» on 04.14.10 @ 07:48 PM
Good grief, what a load of crap. Empty, do you know what is meant by freedom in this country? Please give a clear concise answer. Not what you think it should be, not what MoveOn tells you, but your own opinion of what you think it means now.
By fessing up we can dispense with the tit for tat non-sense flying around now, who wrote more who hates who and all this other rubbish. Next, can you or anyone else writing here debate ideas without all this stupid partisan bashing? I really don’t give a crap about the damned GOP or the DNC. So bringing up their faults adds nothing to the conversation.
Local, that was a half hearted attempt at answering questions followed by loss of consciousness in your later comments. Not acceptable. Sorry I expect more of you ever since you told me you were a college graduate. Not kidding or trying to be inflammatory but you genuinely seem like a nice person who wants to have a civil conversation. I am not civil and don’t care to be, that’s my style and though it rubs some raw you libs seem to do ok with it. So don’t let me down, engage. Here are some other questions you might want to ponder.
Why do you teach your children to grow up and take care of themselves, then turn around and steal money from adults to give to other adults who never learned that lesson?
Why do you consider it to be compassion when you give money to the government (taxes) to give to those who won’t take care of themselves but shun taking any personal responsibility for some one in need?
Empty says that every other industrialized western nation is freer than ours. What do you think Empty means by that?
What do you think freedom means? Is it not having any responsibility? Or does it mean you are on your own, you make your own decisions and take the consequences that go with them?
Why do you think we conservatives are so angry at you progressives/liberals? Do you think we hate you or do you understand that we want to be free even if it means being free to starve or die from sickness?
Wrap your brain around those and if Empty can get out of the gutter long enough he can chime in to. And yes Empty I know my comments are lengthy but unlike most of you I have to work sometimes and that means saving up a lot of crap for one big danged down load. Of course if you guys would get a damned clue I wouldn’t prattle on so.
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» on 04.15.10 @ 07:46 AM
Petry does have a real talent: trolling for off-the-wall responses.
He writes columns filled with venomous name-calling and logical contradictions. Most commonly he reviles people who attack our constitutional rights while simultaneously attacking basic provisions of the Constitution.
Then, when posters point out the name calling, Petry-philes insist that no ne should engage in personal attacks and should stick to facts. But Petry’s columns are always short on facts and long on fantasy.
In this latest one, Petry starts with a myth about boiling frogs (presented as fact) and ends with a fable about talking frogs and scorpions. Ridiculous stuff, but anyone who says so is attacked by Petry-philes as a brainwashed liberal.
Petry goal is to vent his opinions and grudges and as a result he plays fast and loose with facts.
Start with his column’s bio data. He “attended” the US Military Academy “class of 1976”. The logical inference here is that he actually graduated and served in the military. But he doesn’t really claim either of those inferences.
His business is Petry Direct, Inc. Google that business name and it leads to Petry Media, an ad agency. Their website doesn’t mention Mr. Petry or any local Santa Barbara connection. So who is this guy, anyway?
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» on 04.15.10 @ 08:29 AM
Seems to be a guy who writes edgy articles that I and a lot of others like. The more you flounder around trying to attack rather than address the more I like him. Perhaps you are one of those that has threatened his life. Looks like he has taken up free rent in your head. So keep it up.
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» on 04.15.10 @ 09:03 AM
AN50: Freedom “means being free to starve or die from sickness”. That says it all - the ol’ right wing martyr complex combined with a willingness to sacrifice one’s life upon the alter of corporate greed. Yes, I too long for the day we have sick and poor people dying in the streets like a third world nation. AN50, you don’t think maybe you’re selling America short and aiming a bit too low do you? That’s the difference between conservatives and progressives. We think the potential is unlimited for both our fellow citizens and our country. And you don’t think the government or most of the citizenry can do anything right. You’re dead wrong.
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» on 04.15.10 @ 09:22 AM
emptynewsroom says: “Every time the statement is made that America is a “right of center” nation it is said without proof of any kind”. Actually, empty, that comment is made by such sources as the New York Times, the LA Times, Newsweek, and The Economist quoting polls and sources of polls (Harris, AP, whatever). But granted they don’t publish the actual polling data.
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» on 04.15.10 @ 11:36 AM
I love how these apologists gloss over the tsunami of facts that are right in front of them. You then have to conclude that they are right in line with guys like McChesney. So now we know what you truly are.
“Then you have the founder of Free Press, Robert McChesney. This is a guy who you could surely take home to mom. He was the editor of the Monthly Review, which he has described as one of the most important Marxist publications in the world.”
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» on 04.16.10 @ 07:14 AM
Charlene posts the perfect Petry-phile response.
I question Petry’s presentation of basic facts about himself and Charlene draws the following conclusion: “Perhaps you are one of those that has threatened his life.”
That sentence is irrational, without any basis in fact and absolutely unrelated to my inquiry. In short, a lot like Mr. Petry’s columns.
It also promotes yet another bit of unproven info as fact… what makes Charlene believe that anyone has threatened Petry’s life? Does Charlene have any direct knowledge of that this occured? Or is it in the fantasy realm of Petry’s talking frogs and scorpions?
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» on 04.16.10 @ 08:32 AM
Nice response Empty. Is that the best you got? Did you even understand the point I was making? I want to read YOUR definition of freedom not what you think of mine. Can you handle that? It wasn’t a hard request. In fact I gave everyone commenting on this article an opportunity to share their own view point by posing the questions. You come back with an attack on mine. What, am I asking something no one has thought about before? I doubt it. I was making an attempt to steer the conversation to something substantive and yet I get emptiness instead. What about it local? Any of the rest of you?
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