UCSB Chicano Studies professor Ralph Armbruster Sandoval said that gardeners, housekeepers, maids and kitchen crews have been the target of President Trump’s deportation efforts — and not serious criminals, as the president has boasted of going after.

Ambruster Sandoval appears in the latest episode of Santa Barbara Talks with Josh Molina for a candid interview about what it is like to be Mexican-American or “brown” right now in California.

Check out the full conversation on YouTube.

The UCSB professor said the kind of raids happening now seemed like acts from history, not something that could happen now.

“I never thought we’d be here,” Armbruster Sandoval said. “Seeing some of these images we saw in LA were very, very striking and very, very disturbing.”

Check out the video excerpts below:

Armbruster Sandoval said the presence of the National Guard provoked the situation.

“Bringing in the National Guard was a provocative act,” Armbruster Sandoval said. “If that had never happened, the response probably would not have happened from some community members.”

He said President Trump has rolled back the clock.

He discusses the Los Angeles Dodgers’ early response to the deportation efforts in Los Angeles. He expressed disappointment with Dodgers manager Dave Roberts and his awareness of the situation that affects a bulk of Dodger fans.

Armbruster Sandoval also talks about his own experience with racism and how someone at a hotel assumed he was a valet attendant.

Joshua Molina is journalist who currently writes for Noozhawk and teaches journalism at Santa Barbara City College. He formerly covered politics and land use for the San Jose Mercury News. Santa Barbara Talks is an independently owned podcast where Molina looks to bring together voices from all perspectives to discuss and provide solutions to the challenges related to housing, education, transportation and other community issues. Subscribe to his podcast here and consider a contribution here.